the sir jimmy savile obe thread

[littlebabyjesus]

Don't be so melodramatic. Few people are accusing her. Most are attempting to understand the dynamics of the situation.

There has been a long stream of posts judging her.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

I don't think we can make that judgement.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

This is the last bit of her email

 

[Citizen66]

This is the lock ness monster.

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[bubblesmcgrath]

Ps.
I'm not judging her as a person. I'm judging her email....which does seem a bit weird.

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm not sure how that email damns Harris' daughter. Just sounds like she is being organised.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm not sure how that email damns Harris' daughter. Just sounds like she is being organised.

Yep. And if this was presented in court, I'm not really sure why.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Ps.
I'm not judging her as a person. I'm judging her email....which does seem a bit weird.

"I'm not judging you, just the words you came out with."

 

[discokermit]

she's a grasping cunt who's never done a days work in her life and knew that if she did the right thing she would end up having to get a job. so she thought fuck the victims, i'm in it for me.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

I'm not sure how that email damns Harris' daughter. Just sounds like she is being organised.

She's asking him about her inheritance and to sort his affairs in an email ... she mentions putting his wealth in a trust fund....basically she's trying to make sure the money is untouchable.

 

[Orang Utan]

Isn't that just sensible?

 

[existentialist]

Ps.
I'm not judging her as a person. I'm judging her email....which does seem a bit weird.

And if that's not judging her, what is it?

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

Isn't that just sensible?

Why wait til he was being questioned about allegations of sexual abuse?

 

[Orang Utan]

Why wait til he was being questioned about allegations of sexual abuse?

I would have thought that was obvious.

 

[discokermit]

my money! not the victims, mine!

 

[1%er]

I find it interesting that she felt the need to put that in writing to her father, why didn't she just talk to him about her concerns. I have very little knowledge of this case, but as a parent I would wonder why, if my kids felt they needed to write to me about a problem rather than speak to me directly

Is it a British thing, like talking about money and legacy's is "bad form"

 

[comrade spurski]

If the child abusing fucker had been prosecuted back in the 1970's then his daughter would not have a huge fortune to worry about. She'd have to have mad her own money by working (or selling her story to the tabloids).

It says a lot that the relatives of the rich are desperate to keep hold of the money accrued by these child abusing fucks ... and none of it is good.
They can sell their stories to the pres s, write books etc. and will make money so I have no time for their money grabbing me me me attitude


on a separate note I find the hypocrisy of the media sickening in regard of these cases compared to others...

a) a group of asian men abusing children is greeted with howls of anger about how the "asian community" needs to sort itself out yet a larger group of all white rich men abusing children brings forth no demands for the rich white folk to sort themselves out... the white rich men are treated as indivuals rather than a part of a community...but hey, maybe I just have a chip on my shoulder

and

b) why is marxine carr witch hunted and treated as though she was a child abuser cos she was stupid enough to believe her partner was innocent yet the partners and children of celebrity abusers who support them are treated as victims of his manipulation and lies?

 

[UrbaneFox]

Yardbird, how did Bindi lie? I did not follow the trial in much detail.

Bindi's email contained the line "with my therapist I've been trying to work out why I always feel so confused by all the stuff around money".

and from that I deduce that she had, or was, in the process of talking to her psychotherapist about her complicated family life, childhood and the long-term effects they had on her.

It could be that in the Harris household money was always used as a bribe / silencer.


Who knows what did or would have happened? Her dad's family and home life was a sham, he had little time for Bindi and yet lots of people thought that he was wonderful and how great it must to be to have him as a Dad. One thing we do know is that she put up barriers between herself and her Dad, yet at the same time felt torn and wanted to support him.

She has a very complicated story. As for Alwen...

 

[Looby]

I'm not sure how that email damns Harris' daughter. Just sounds like she is being organised.

Yep, looks to me like she feels very insecure about her future.

Is it possible that money has caused problems in the family before, maybe the will has been changed before.

If Rolf was a bit of a shit to his family as well as being a predatory cunt, I can see why she'd want some clarity. He might be planning to leave it all to the RSPCA.

There's a situation in my partner's family that could get difficult in the future. It's not about the money but the potential fallout and I wish they would have a bloody conversation about it.

 

[UrbaneFox]

I find it interesting that she felt the need to put that in writing to her father, why didn't she just talk to him about her concerns. I have very little knowledge of this case, but as a parent I would wonder why, if my kids felt they needed to write to me about a problem rather than speak to me directly
Is it a British thing, like talking about money and legacy's is "bad form"

I'm not sure about "she felt the need to put that in writing to her father".

It sounds as though her father was so concerned with himself that he had little time to talk with Bindi. Perhaps years of avoidance and rejection taught her that emails were the only / best way of getting his attention.


"as a parent" Flashing lights go off when I see that. Non-parents can be thoughtful and nurturing, too.


Is it a British thing, like talking about money and legacy's is "bad form".

British cliches: stiff upper lip, flogging at boarding schools, being raped in the showers by Mr Big, all men are closet homos, etc etc

Apart from racial stereotyping, where does Rolf's Australian, artistic past, fit in? *


* No need to explain

 

[ibilly99]

One minute you're treading the boards of fame and adulation .....

http://www.fakefaces.co.uk/lookalikes.html?lookalike_id=672

 

[tim]

b) why is marxine carr witch hunted and treated as though she was a child abuser cos she was stupid enough to believe her partner was innocent yet the partners and children of celebrity abusers who support them are treated as victims of his manipulation and lies?

Well, Carr didn't just "believe her partner" she lied to give Huntley an alibi for crimes rather worse than the bearded perv's. 'm not convinced ether deserves that much sympathy. But, perhaps we should ask for nessa239 to comment

 

[Rural]

"I wouldn't change the past...it's all been perfect"

What

 

[tim]

"I wouldn't change the past...it's all been perfect"

What

That's the sort of thing you say when writing a letter about money to a highly-strung parent whose millions you covet.

 

[Rural]

That's the sort of thing you say when writing a letter about money to a highly-strung parent whose millions you covet.

Seems a bizarre thing to write after she knew about the acusations of him abusing her BEST FRIEND. Which she seemed to believe b4 the court case.

 

[UrbaneFox]

I've had enough of this idle speculation. I'm going to watch the Zapruder film on youtube, in very slo mo, until 2am.

 

[not-bono-ever]

I think is says alot that Bindi had to email Rolf to bring up these issues in the first place as opposed to talking about it F2F

 

[Orang Utan]

you lot just want someone to blame and hate. isn't the perpetrator of the crimes enough for you?

 

[yardbird]

you lot just want someone to blame and hate. isn't the perpetrator of the crimes enough for you?

There are inevitably some peripheral areas to speculate about.
UrbanFox - "Bindi's email contained the line "with my therapist I've been trying to work out why I always feel so confused by all the stuff around money"."
Outside influence?
This sounds like/could be a sentence carefully worded with he aid of another.

I'm not after someone to blame and hate but the dynamics of Rolf's family and his molesting are interesting.

 

[existentialist]

I think we are on a hiding to worse than nothing if we start trying to deconstruct Bindi Harris' personality and motives on the strength of a single email.

TBH, this second-guessing of her motives makes me feel quite uneasy, not least because some of what is being bandied about seems to say more about the person doing the bandying than about Bindi Harris.