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i love this. Do your homework! But don't bother learning to spell the name of the man you hold responsible for all the world's ills . :DScreenshot 2020-12-06 at 07.19.23.png
 
This is the key to so much of the whole trump movement i think, not just right now but since 2016 and in the future too - its a festival of resentment and grievances.
Quite a thing for him to say at his Victory Rally.


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bimble said:
This is an enjoyable writeup of yesterday's Victory Rally speech.
www.theguardian.com

Trump rails against election result at rally ahead of crucial Georgia Senate runoff

President falsely claims he was ‘cheated’ and calls for people to vote in coming Senate races that will decide control of chamber
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I read the first paragraph of that article and found it predictably bland.

Anyway - what are your own personal thoughts on Trumps rally and what are your Qanon community contacts making of it?
 
bimble said:
This is the key to so much of the whole trump movement i think, not just right now but since 2016 and in the future too - its a festival of resentment and grievances.
Quite a thing for him to say at his Victory Rally.


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Not Victory but Victim Rally.

This has been a theme of Trumpism all along (and before that a certain strand of unpleasant populism).

"We're all victims" of something vague enough for people to project their own fears and prejudices on to.

Vote for me and I'll deal, in some equally vague and unspecified way, with those who you're victims of.
 
Marty1 said:
what are your Qanon community contacts making of it?
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Just had a quick look and they appear to be in exactly the same completely sane and reality-based state as you.
Qanon thinks that somehow the states will overturn the election and make trump be the Winner. Or else trump will declare martial law, and then.. underpants .. be the winner.

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The interesting thing now is the relationship between these absolute nutcases and the GOP.
There is not a clear line between them. The Arizona branch for instance is all in.
 
Marty1 said:
Anyway - what are your own personal thoughts on Trumps rally?
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I have seen his rallies referred to as Trumpenburg Rallies. Says it all, using the same tactics as the Nazis. The Third Reich would be so proud.
Portraying those there as the victims of a worldwide conspiracy.
 
Lol.
The great champion of TRUTH, Lin Wood, continues to encourage true patriots not to vote in Georgia, despite Donald’s half arsed encouraging the crowd to do so yesterday.
He’s out of control just like Sidney, but can’t be sacked cos not actually employed. :)

He slipped up, understandably in his fervor, and retweeted one of the many democrats who are likewise (for entirely pragmatic reasons) encouraging the idiots not to vote.

 
andysays said:
Not Victory but Victim Rally.

This has been a theme of Trumpism all along (and before that a certain strand of unpleasant populism).

"We're all victims" of something vague enough for people to project their own fears and prejudices on to.

Vote for me and I'll deal, in some equally vague and unspecified way, with those who you're victims of.
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A variation on Steinbeck's "the (American) poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." is that it must be a plot by Commies, Jews, Liberals, NWO or somebody, or all of them at once, but not capitalism, that they are not the ones in the Cadillac.

It's worth running Trumpism through Umberto Eco's 14 point checklist:


  1. The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
  2. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
  3. The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
  4. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
  5. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
  6. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
  7. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
  8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
  9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
  10. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
  11. Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
  12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
  13. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
  14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”
1995. Nailed it. 13!
 
Another checklist from 2017, based on a US Holocaust museum exhibit


  • Powerful and continuing nationalism
  • Disdain for human rights
  • Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
  • Supremacy of the military
  • Rampant sexism
  • Controlled mass media
  • Obsession with national security
  • Religion and government intertwined
  • Corporate power protected
  • Labor power suppressed
  • Disdain for intellectuals & the arts
  • Obsession with crime & punishment
  • Rampant cronyism & corruption
  • Fraudulent elections
 
MickiQ said:
I imagine that the Governor of Georgia has to keep buying his tongue to avoid shouting "Fuck Off You Mad Loon" every time his name gets mentioned.
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Yes, Brian Kemp, a right wing republican and vocal Trump supporter who forbade cities and counties in Georgia from implementing mask mandates, has been a leading proponent of voter suppression, accused the Democrats of cybercrimes in the 2018 gubernatorial election and made very similar claims to the ones Trump is making now thinks Trump's a nutter. :rolleyes:
 
In one respect, at least, the people at that "victim" rally in Georgia are all victims.
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Victims of some type of mass delusion or mass hysteria, to whit "that tangerine man 'won' the election" ...
 
JuanTwoThree said:
Another checklist from 2017, based on a US Holocaust museum exhibit


  • Powerful and continuing nationalism
  • Disdain for human rights
  • Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
  • Supremacy of the military
  • Rampant sexism
  • Controlled mass media
  • Obsession with national security
  • Religion and government intertwined
  • Corporate power protected
  • Labor power suppressed
  • Disdain for intellectuals & the arts
  • Obsession with crime & punishment
  • Rampant cronyism & corruption
  • Fraudulent elections
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Yep. It’s an open question I think to what extent things would have worked out better for trump just recently if he had had the military onside. Which they (top brass) took very unusual steps to make clear that he didn’t.
 
maomao said:
Yes, Brian Kemp, a right wing republican and vocal Trump supporter who forbade cities and counties in Georgia from implementing mask mandates, has been a leading proponent of voter suppression, accused the Democrats of cybercrimes in the 2018 gubernatorial election and made very similar claims to the ones Trump is making now thinks Trump's a nutter. :rolleyes:
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Strange Days Indeed
 
Sprocket. said:
I have seen his rallies referred to as Trumpenburg Rallies. Says it all, using the same tactics as the Nazis. The Third Reich would be so proud.
Portraying those there as the victims of a worldwide conspiracy.
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Did you watch this victory rally?
 
StoneRoad said:
In one respect, at least, the people at that "victim" rally in Georgia are all victims.
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Victims of some type of mass delusion or mass hysteria, to whit "that tangerine man 'won' the election" ...
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and quite a few attending will be victims of covid
 
Sprocket. said:
I didn’t need to, Trump is an empty, clanging vessel on continuous repeat.
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He's very difficult to watch, He's not only incoherent much of the time he is forever wandering off track. I read the transcript of his recent WH speech, it took me under 10 mins but it took him 46 mins to deliver.
It's fascinating, he has the unique ability to sound self-pitying and arrogant all at the same time.
I will need to find a transcipt of his Georgia rally by all accounts, the two Senatorial candidates he was there to support barely got a mention.
 
Sprocket. said:
I didn’t need to, Trump is an empty, clanging vessel on continuous repeat.
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:facepalm:

Tbh, I fell asleep part way through but will probably catch it up at some point.

From what I did see tho was a very relaxed Trump who seemed very confident. Not sure what to make of that tbh.
 
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