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The Rational Proof of God's Existence

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phildwyer said:
Now we seem to be reaching an explanation of Nino's disorder. Traumatized by his childhood experiences, he now seeks recompence by bullying others. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

Projection and deflection: the twin traits of the scoundrel. Examples of your bullying behaviour are legion on this thread alone. It is common for someone like you to deny that you were a bully and offer excuses for your behaviour.

You have brought your playground behaviour here to this thread. You are the bully, make no mistake and no matter how hard you try to deflect or project, everyone knows the truth.

So still no "proof" of "God" then? I suppose you would resort to this sort of thing given the fact that you never had "proof" nor did you ever intend to provide "proof". Your sole reason for starting this thread was to 1. bully others, 2. start fights and 3. to make your self look/feel good. Your feelings of inadequacy must be so deeprooted. Have you ever considered therapy? Perhaps you should.
 
phildwyer said:
Still stalking, still haunting, still plaguing this thread with your endless, tedious flaming, Nino? What *are* you doing here?

I've got a better question: *why* did you start this thread? I know why but I want you to tell me.

You're the stalker and it's funny how you accuse me of being the very thing that you are when you have followed me around these boards with your tiresome quips. You really are quite *fucked* in the head, aren't you?

Phil, the school bully.
 
nino_savatte said:
I've got a better question: *why* did you start this thread? I know why but I want you to tell me.

For the sole purpose of annoying *you,* Nino. In which, if I do say so myself, I have succeeded quite brilliantly. But seriously, have you ever read any Foucault?
 
phildwyer said:
For the sole purpose of annoying *you,* Nino. In which, if I do say so myself, I have succeeded quite brilliantly. But seriously, have you ever read any Foucault?

"Annoying me"? "Succeeded brilliantly" Don't flatter yourself Mister Ego. You remember what happened to Narcissus don't you? Or would you like me to remind you?

Deluded and a school bully, what a combination.
 
Another thing phil, apart from the fact that nothing has been established. You criticise behaviour in others that you are happy to exhibit yourself. What's that all about?
 
Jo/Joe said:
Another thing phil, apart from the fact that nothing has been established. You criticise behaviour in others that you are happy to exhibit yourself. What's that all about?

Actually, Jo/Joe, I'll give this a serious reply. Nino has *never* contributed to this thread, and from his first appearance here he has openly announced his intention to disrupt it. I've suggested many times that he either contribute or leave, but he insists on just continuing with his monotonous, plodding, dull interventions. So I'm using him as light relief from the very serious matter under discussion. Yes, I sometimes feel a bit mean, but I don't think he really minds, or he wouldn't be here.
 
nino_savatte said:
"Annoying me"? "Succeeded brilliantly" Don't flatter yourself Mister Ego.

Sorry Nino. Its clear that you are not annoyed at all, how silly of me to think so. But really, *have* you ever read Foucault? I strongly suspect that you have not--am I right?
 
Are you familiar with Jacques Derrida's Of Grammatology, perhaps the most famous philosophical work of the last 50 years? It argues that linguistic meaning always derives from the *logos,* which as you know is the Biblical word for the "Son" of God.

Wasn't Derrida's main point that we have to deconstruct the underlying logocentric oppositions in order to dismantle the power imbalances that they support, and ultimately to move beyond them into a terminology that no longer relies on these oppositions for meaning - i.e. to move into the realm of signs and marks from that of concept and *spirit* or whatever. How can you invert Grammatology's de-throning into some sort of re-throning of the logos? I await the next installment with substantial logical trepidation.
 
phildwyer said:
Sorry Nino. Its clear that you are not annoyed at all, how silly of me to think so. But really, *have* you ever read Foucault? I strongly suspect that you have not--am I right?

What is it with you and Foucault?

You're no philosopher nor are you a philosophy student. You're a narcissistic sociopath who delights in the 'intellectual' bullying of others.

Have you ever had sex?
 
phildwyer said:
Actually, Jo/Joe, I'll give this a serious reply. Nino has *never* contributed to this thread, and from his first appearance here he has openly announced his intention to disrupt it. I've suggested many times that he either contribute or leave, but he insists on just continuing with his monotonous, plodding, dull interventions. So I'm using him as light relief from the very serious matter under discussion. Yes, I sometimes feel a bit mean, but I don't think he really minds, or he wouldn't be here.

Liar. What I find interesting about cases like you is the fact that you always try to get someone to do your work for you. It has failed in this case but you delude yourself into thinking you've done a grand job.

Keep going phil, you're digging a hole big enought to bury the planet Jupiter.
 
Fruitloop said:
Wasn't Derrida's main point that we have to deconstruct the underlying logocentric oppositions in order to dismantle the power imbalances that they support, and ultimately to move beyond them into a terminology that no longer relies on these oppositions for meaning - i.e. to move into the realm of signs and marks from that of concept and *spirit* or whatever. How can you invert Grammatology's de-throning into some sort of re-throning of the logos? I await the next installment with substantial logical trepidation.

You're absolutely right about the *early* Derrida, and you're certainly right about his acolytes. A typical piece of his Dantonesque anti-logocentric rhetoric is the following, from Margins of Philosophy. Its worth quoting at length, because the second half of my proof will begin with a detailed critique of his reasoning here. Actually, I suppose we might as well start now:

"An opposition of metaphysical concepts (for example, speech/writing, presence/absence, etc.) is never the face-to-face of two terms, but a hierarchy and an order of subordination. Deconstruction cannot limit itself or proceed immediately to a neutralization: it must, by means of a double gesture, a double science, a double writing, practice an overturning of the classical opposition and a general displacement of the system…. For example, writing, as a classical concept, carries within it predicates which have been subordinated, excluded, or held in reserve by forces and according to necessities to be analyzed. It is these predicates… whose force of generality, generalization, and generativity find themselves liberated, grafted onto a ‘new’ concept of writing which also corresponds to whatever always has resisted the former organization of forces, which has always constituted the remainder irreducible to the dominant force which organized the--to say it quickly--logocentric hierarchy." (1984, 329-30)

I'm going to argue that, not only was Derrida quite wrong here, but that he later repudiated this position, and came to see logos as the precondition of all human life and thought. In later works, notably Specters of Marx, he is essentially preaching a logocentric theology, and indeed he has become the darling of the school known as "negative theology." You'll forgive the long and difficult quotation, and you'll appreciate that this is a complex matter, but I believe I can explain it in layman's terms, provided I am not overly distracted by the increasingly desperate attempts of Nino Savatte to derail our conversation. I'll do my best anyway. And now--bacon and eggs for me this morning!
 
nino_savatte said:
What is it with you and Foucault?

Hee. Last time I started teasing Nino about his constantly asking everyone if they'd read Foucault, he replied with a most cunning strategem: he started asking everyone if they'd read *Gramsci* instead. He *did,* twas a classic moment! Let's see if it'll work again. Nino, I can't help but notice from your posts that you seem to be neglecting Antonio Gramsci's concept of "hegemony" as outlined in the Prison Notebooks. I wonder if you are familiar with his work?

<runs, hides, giggles in anticipation>
 
phildwyer said:
Hee. Last time I started teasing Nino about his constantly asking everyone if they'd read Foucault, he replied with a most cunning strategem: he started asking everyone if they'd read *Gramsci* instead. He *did,* twas a classic moment! Let's see if it'll work again. Nino, I can't help but notice from your posts that you seem to be neglecting Antonio Gramsci's concept of "hegemony" as outlined in the Prison Notebooks. I wonder if you are familiar with his work?

<runs, hides, giggles in anticipation>

Pathetic...but tiny things for tiny minds eh, school bully?
 
phildwyer said:
Piss off Jo/Joe, I was asked a serious question and I responded to it.

No you didn't and nowhere on this thread have you *responded* in a way which suggests that you are serious or, for that matter, knowledgeable.
 
nino_savatte said:
Pathetic...but tiny things for tiny minds eh, school bully?

Nino, I am truly sorry, but since you effectively admit to never having read either Gramsci or Foucault, I do not think we can continue our conversation. Its a shame, because I was almost certain that you had read them, but now I see that you have not. Please familiarize yourself with their respective ouevres, and return to us at a later date. And, who was the other one you sometimes interrogate people about? De Certeau! Read him too. Unless, of course, you have already done so?
 
phildwyer said:
Nino, I am truly sorry, but since you effectively admit to never having read either Gramsci or Foucault, I do not think we can continue our conversation. Its a shame, because I was almost certain that you had read them, but now I see that you have not. Please familiarize yourself with their respective ouevres, and return to us at a later date. And, who was the other one you sometimes interrogate people about? De Certeau! Read him too. Unless, of course, you have already done so?

Keep digging, phil, you don't realise what a prick you're making of yourself. I'm finding this not only amusing but it vindicates my belief that you have a serious mental illness, of which obsessive behaviour is a large part.
 
nino_savatte said:
Keep digging, phil, you don't realise what a prick you're making of yourself. I'm finding this not only amusing but it vindicates my belief that you have a serious mental illness, of which obsessive behaviour is a large part.

On and on he rambles, far into the night...
 
I'll be back, I've just found a three week old piece of pizza under my fridge that I'm going to have for lunch (once I've picked the dust and hairs off it first). I may wash that down with some Domestos.
 
nino_savatte said:
I'll be back, I've just found a three week old piece of pizza under my fridge that I'm going to have for lunch (once I've picked the dust and hairs off it first). I may wash that down with some Domestos.

Cheers Nino! Looking forward to hearing from you after that little concoction! I ended up having an *enormous* egg, cheese and sausage roll from what we Philadelphians call the "roach coach." Absolutely fantastic it was, and only $2. The guy who works there is from Turkey, like my girlfriend, so we always have a good old chat about politics. Today, of course, he was going on about the EU. Basically, he hates them and considers them racist, but still wants to join them. The Turks have invested a great deal of psychological enegry in getting into Europe, and are getting more and more frustrated at being knocked back all the time. I told him they should look east, go off and reconquer Armenia and that, which elicited a hollow laugh and a "you think the bullies would allow *that*..." He's right of course. He also denies the Aremenian genocide though, which is a bit much even for a Turkophile like myself. What do you mean "wrong thread," is that the time?
 
Originally Posted by the man who would be God
we Philadelphians

I thought you were fae Wales. :confused: Or is it the case that you enjoy Philadelphia cream cheese and consider yourself to be a"Philadelphian"? Or perhaps it has something to do with your first name.

Who cares?
 
nino_savatte said:
I thought you were fae Wales. :confused: Or is it the case that you enjoy Philadelphia cream cheese and consider yourself to be a"Philadelphian"? Or perhaps it has something to do with your first name.

Who cares?

You, evidentally, since you ceaselessly interrogate me about every little detail of my biography. You'll be pestering me for autographs next.
 
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