The 'Naked Rambler' jailed for 22 months, following arrest within 60 seconds of his release!

[andysays]

Or maybe that place in Spain (or is it Portugal) where that other guy wanders round naked, but in towns rather than rambling.

Do you mean the one from Barcelona? I think it's called Ramblasing

 

[cesare]

Do you mean the one from Barcelona? I think it's called Ramblasing

Not sure. It might be earlier in the thread

I was drawn here earlier by the disgusted green ink comments from last night tbh. There's only so much intersectionality/anti-intersectionality that's bearable before needing some light relief.

 

[andysays]

If he were just wandering around naked in one small town, it'd be different. People would know he was harmless, know where to avoid him and be able to tell their kids "oh, that's just Naked Nobby" and maybe chat about it later, or maybe not, since he'd be just a local eccentric.

Though I'm not sure he could be persuaded from not wandering naked past the local primary school even then, since his last conviction was for doing just that after the cops offered to give him a lift - naked - past the school then let him out, still naked, and he refused.

It's wandering all over the country that makes it different. Most people seeing him wouldn't know why he's doing it. They'd likely assume he was either a danger to someone else - that if he could do that, what else could he do? - or think he was a danger to himself, either fucked up on drugs or mentally ill. So I bet lots and lots of people have actually called the police because of him.

I called the cops on a naked bloke once, when he was lying next to a kids' playpark, because I thought it likely that he was off his head to do something like that and also that he was very vulnerable to assault or theft (he had a bag and a phone in his hand).

I also wouldn't particularly want to see a naked stranger in an unexpected place shortly after I'd been sexually assaulted. He wouldn't be safe old Naked Nobby, he'd be a grown man whose history and intentions I don't know. I would be the one who had to leave because I felt very unsafe.

And I wouldn't want to be helping a kid recover from sexual abuse and then have it put back a step due to mixed messages about when it's ok for a grown man to let kids see his penis.

I haven't noticed that being a significant part of any reports I've read on this.

Can anyone who's followed this story more closely confirm or refute?

 

[scifisam]

I haven't noticed that being a significant part of any reports I've read on this.

Can anyone who's followed this story more closely confirm or refute?

You're so right. The numbers of people raped and abused is SO low that this man can never have exposed himself to them while wandering the country. And there is no way anyone could ever have been afraid for his wellbeing enough to call the police. The police were alerted by homing beacons.

 

[andysays]

I once got caught pissing on a church door by the vicar. One of my finer moments.

Did you claim it as a political act?

 

[andysays]

You're so right. The numbers of people raped and abused is SO low that this man can never have exposed himself to them while wandering the country. And there is no way anyone could ever have been afraid for his wellbeing enough to call the police. The police were alerted by homing beacons.

So that's a "no" then...

 

[cesare]

This thread has it all

Stranger danger
Safe spaces
Unashamed sexual nudity advertising being a lesser evil than an eccentric naked rambler
Jail sentencing
Paedo mania
Religious or other morality
Lone naked rambler more of a threat than mass naked bike rides

There must be a few I've left off the list

 

[andysays]

This thread has it all

Stranger danger
Safe spaces
Unashamed sexual nudity advertising being a lesser evil than an eccentric naked rambler
Jail sentencing
Paedo mania
Religious or other morality
Lone naked rambler more of a threat than mass naked bike rides

There must be a few I've left off the list

You missed the pun in my post #691

 

[cesare]

You missed the pun in my post #691

 

[andysays]

Don't know why I bother...

 

[cesare]

Don't know why I bother...

It's like living in Nazi Germany

 

[andysays]

It's like living in Nazi Germany

Is it? How?

As it happens, when I was in Berlin about 20 years ago, I was slightly surprised by the relative commonness and apparent acceptance of nakedness in public parks.

 

[Citizen66]

Did you claim it as a political act?

Nah, I fucked off sharpish.

 

[ibilly99]

He seems like a harmless inoffensive (apart from his nudity to some) kind of fella - why can't his kids disabuse him of his obsession.

 

[andysays]

Nah, I fucked off sharpish.

No commitment

 

[scifisam]

This thread has it all

Stranger danger
Safe spaces
Unashamed sexual nudity advertising being a lesser evil than an eccentric naked rambler
Jail sentencing
Paedo mania
Religious or other morality
Lone naked rambler more of a threat than mass naked bike rides

There must be a few I've left off the list

You missed "showing your bits to whoever you like being more important than what they feel about it. Show your bits to a rape victim - that's OK." He's walking about in public so he HAS to be exposing himself to victims of rape, recent ones even. The odds of that not happening are astronomical.

So we take the piss out of that point of view. Even you do. It's really fucking weird. I honestly do not understand it from intelligent people like you.

 

[Spymaster]

You missed "showing your bits to whoever you like being more important than what they feel about it. Show your bits to a rape victim - that's OK." He's walking about in public so he HAS to be exposing himself to victims of rape, recent ones even. The odds of that not happening are astronomical.

So we take the piss out of that point of view. Even you do. It's really fucking weird. I honestly do not understand it from intelligent people like you.

So far there have been plenty of reasonable posts arguing why this guy shouldn't be indulged. I've yet to see a single post on here outlining a compelling reason why he should be.

 

[Corax]

So far there have been plenty of reasonable posts arguing why this guy shouldn't be indulged. I've yet to see a single post on here outlining a compelling reason why he should be.

That's because you've already decided what you think.

I haven't, and have seen reasonable cases on both sides.

 

[Combustible]

Unashamed sexual nudity advertising being a lesser evil than an eccentric naked rambler

Why are you drawing this comparison? Has anybody shown one example of equivalent levels of nudity (i.e full frontal) in mainstream advertising?

 

[Spymaster]

I haven't, and have seen reasonable cases on both sides.

Quote me one from the Pro-Rambler side.

 

[Spymaster]

Has anybody shown one example of equivalent levels of nudity (i.e full frontal) in mainstream advertising?

Nope. She's been asked a couple of times now though.

 

[cesare]

Is it? How?

As it happens, when I was in Berlin about 20 years ago, I was slightly surprised by the relative commonness and apparent acceptance of nakedness in public parks.

It's a standing jokey phrase for perceived oppression. A bit like being told to tidy your bedroom. That sort of thing.

Yes, I'm aware that there isn't the same level of societal taboo regarding public nudity in Germany and the Scandinavian countries, particularly Finland.

 

[Corax]

I'm worried by the "effect on abuse victims" angle tbh.

I *get* it, but there's once again something there about nakedness being equated to sex - or in this case sexual abuse or even rape. That doesn't feel right...

If people didn't automatically assume that all nakedness was sexual, then would it be an issue for abuse victims? Or is it because people relate nakedness with sex that nakedness also feels related to their abuse? In societies where public nudity is normal, do abuse victims feel threatened and/or upset by it? I dunno. I'm not for one moment telling anyone how they should or shouldn't feel, just relating my gut reaction iykwim.

I don't honestly know what my opinion is on this tbh, so I'm thinking out loud more than anything. I want it to not be a problem if someone wants to walk around naked, because it's just a willy, labia, bum etc, and so what? I recognise the world isn't always that simple though. Opinion in the process of evolving.

 

[Corax]

Quote me one from the Pro-Rambler side.

No. You've already categorically stated that you don't find any of them compelling, and I have no interest in having a boring and fruitless argument about them with you.

 

[cesare]

Why are you drawing this comparison? Has anybody shown one example of equivalent levels of nudity (i.e full frontal) in mainstream advertising?

I'm drawing that comparison *now* (note, not earlier, if you'd read the thread; also you've inserted full frontal not me - because it suits you) because there's a prolific level of varying amounts of sexuality- based nudity in mainstream advertising - which I've given examples of - that simply does not attract the same levels of outrage compared to this.

 

[cesare]

Nope. She's been asked a couple of times now though.

Liar. It's the first time I've directly made that comparison.

 

[Spymaster]

You've already categorically stated that you don't find any of them compelling ....

Which do you find compelling?

 

[Dillinger4]

He's got a great beard. I might not even look at his cock.

 

[cesare]

You missed "showing your bits to whoever you like being more important than what they feel about it. Show your bits to a rape victim - that's OK." He's walking about in public so he HAS to be exposing himself to victims of rape, recent ones even. The odds of that not happening are astronomical.

So we take the piss out of that point of view. Even you do. It's really fucking weird. I honestly do not understand it from intelligent people like you.

I said stranger danger. Perhaps I should have worded it your way. I'm a rape victim and I don't equate (a) nudity with sexual threat and/or (b) that strangers are the people that are the main perpetrators of rape and sexual abuse. If you've got stats otherwise, I'd be happy to look at them and perhaps revise my view.

 

[Corax]

Which do you find compelling?

The one about not being interested in a boring and fruitless argument.