The 'Naked Rambler' jailed for 22 months, following arrest within 60 seconds of his release!
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cesare
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Well, yep, exactly. No wonder kids are growing up with these reported hang ups about appearance, this sort of massive overreaction feeds straight into that.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
to my knowledge of the mans situation he has never masturbated in public, never sported a raging hard on or done anything that in any way sexualises his nudity in a manner that would be wrong. Nobody wants to see a naked man when they are going about their day to day life but if he's not acting the perv then its hard to see the justification in jailing him. Cost of keeping him on the spesh wing must be enormous. Let him go. In a way, all of us are rambling naked- and the Man doesn't accept that
Whether or not you support Stevie Gough in his naked rambling, I honestly don't reckon his situation has any bearing whatsoever on young people suffering body dysmorphia.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Why not?
Well short answer - I just don't. Nah, only messin but he isn't someone most young people would aspire to be like is he? The main reason, IMO, why people end up with body dysmorphia is from being bombarded with/trying to aspire to unrealistic images of physical perfection. All he'd be is a laughing stock. Is he the reason teenage girls think they need boob jobs? I really doubt it. Do lads start banging up steroids coz the naked ramblers been locked up again?Probably not, I'd say.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
its not what he looks like its the state reaction to him in his birthday suit.Giving the message that nudity is wrong. Pass the fucking figleaves adam, gods coming for a chat. etc.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Yebbut obv it would be better that they weren't bombarded with unrealistic images in the first place; but making an over-the-top fuss about hiding away a normal body (even though it's being displayed in sometimes inappropriate places, arguably) just reinforces that thing of only displaying the "perfect" body.
I know, but I regardless of the figleaf/shame about nudity argument or whether or not you thing Stephen Gough's got a point/deserves to have the key thrown away or whatever, I just don't reckon his situation has any bearing on the (entirely separate IMO) issue of body dysmorphia.
Well yeah maybe, but not really - He's not being locked up for not having a perfect body is he?
The fuss is OTT, but I've got little sympathy for him for reasons I've already outlined - I won't bore ya by going into them again.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
No, he's not being locked up for not having the perfect body. But it's a mixed message for kids in terms of what's OK to be blatantly in their face all the time. There's a weird disconnect here with people getting so het up about him, yet not so het up about all the seemingly OK-cos-it-looks-perfect-and-"tastefully"-displayed imagery everywhere else.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
without getting too into it cos I have a dentists appointment in a mo- but perhaps the shame/outrage of the exposed penis runs right through christian and therefor modern social mores. Recall the one of Noahs sons who saw the old boys meat n veg and was cursed?
Now I halfway agree with that bit, but I'd argue that it's the "Ok coz it looks perfect" imagery that's the main (if not sole) contributory factor to body dysmorphia, and not the authorities (admittedly draconian) response to Gough. It's not the authorities saying "nudity is bad" that makes people hate their own bodies, it's adverts etc saying "nudity is good, but only if you look like this" that fucks peoples heads up.
For it was cold that morning and great was Noah's shame.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Chucked out of the Garden of Eden etc. Oh, and all those fig leaves that
Edit: Piers Anthony's Split Infinity series is quite good for looking at the wearing of clothes as privilege, if you haven't already read them.
DaRealSpoon
Do not try and bend the spoon...
I think yet again the point (to my mind) is mostly being missed.
I don't think anyone here is saying that nudity is wrong per se, but forcing said nudity upon others is in fact the issue.
He is trying to exercise his 'human right' to be naked, fair enough. What about other peoples 'human right' to not have to be exposed to said nudity if they so wish?
Unfortunately, he is in the minority and therefore it is he who should comprimise and stick to enjoying his nudity in the same way that the rest of us have to, the privacy of our own homes, the privacy of near isolated countryside, the company of other like minded nudy loving folk at nudy-friendly establishments both indoor and outdoor.
And also, this story really has fuck all to do with why people suffer body dysmorphia... Come on, tenuous as fuck.
I don't think anyone here is saying that nudity is wrong per se, but forcing said nudity upon others is in fact the issue.
He is trying to exercise his 'human right' to be naked, fair enough. What about other peoples 'human right' to not have to be exposed to said nudity if they so wish?
Unfortunately, he is in the minority and therefore it is he who should comprimise and stick to enjoying his nudity in the same way that the rest of us have to, the privacy of our own homes, the privacy of near isolated countryside, the company of other like minded nudy loving folk at nudy-friendly establishments both indoor and outdoor.
And also, this story really has fuck all to do with why people suffer body dysmorphia... Come on, tenuous as fuck.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Are there any groups of people anywhere in the world who go around naked all the time?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It's the mixed message that's the problem. If all sorts of bodies of all kinds were regularly displayed in the media as a matter of course, then the authorities' draconian response to public nudity outside designated areas would be more consistent and make more sense. But that's not what we have - we have profit-message public, varying displays of nudity via the media but only the idealised versions; and public outcry (in some quarters, to varying degrees) plus locking up of non-profit-message, public display of non-idealised body. Disconnect.
There is a disconnect, but I really don't think that disconnect has much (if anything) to do with dysmorphia.
elbows
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Those suggesting he should be sectioned should be careful. I've seen no evidence that he has a mental illness or severe personality disorder. Perhaps he has, but nothing in his actions can be used to assume he has. And you can't start sectioning people simply for their beliefs, even if those beliefs are incompatible with societal norms and cause him problems. Even if you believe that on a certain level he is eccentric, a bit mad or whatever, sectioning is used to deal with very clear sets of behaviour, thought disturbances etc. To extend it beyond that has a range of unpleasant implications including the potential use of mental health legislation to deal with political issues.
cesare
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If you look back, I originally said it feeds straight into it. I didn't say it directly causes it. Why don't you think the disconnect/mixed messages that kids get are a factor though?
coley
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Sectioning can be used after a mental capacity assessment,has this bloke been assessed regarding his comprehension IRO offending/alarming others?
Fair enough, you did.
I'm not saying (or maybe I am, who knows what anyone's trying to say in these crazy times, eh?) that mixed messages aren't a factor. All I originally said was (and I stand by this), Gough and his treatment at the hands of the state/public/whoever probably has little or no bearing on the issue of dysmorphia among young people. IMO there are wider issues at play. I really do doubt the naked rambler's misadventures form any part of a mixed message mixture - I just don't reckon he has any relevence to the issue of dysmorphia.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Kids are growing up with appearance issues because people get the hump with some twat cruising the country with his bollocks out?
What a load of auld crap!
elbows
Well-Known Member
I find it extremely unlikely that there is anything in this blokes case that would trigger concern under that aspect of the system. Even in cases where there are obvious physical reasons why someones mental capacity to make decisions has been impaired, the system is designed to be very careful in judging whether they have the mental capacity to make decisions, very much including decisions that others think are unwise. So I highly doubt that taking this angle would in anyway override peoples right to let a personal principal override a range of other factors, or allow us to short-circuit that right by claiming that their capacity to make such a judgement was lacking.
These case studies demonstrate this pretty well, although for obvious reasons they have little in common with this case: http://www.amcat.org.uk/case_studies/?page=1
And whilst mental health care in the context of the prison system is not exactly highly regarded, the number of run-ins he has had with courts etc would lead me to expect that they are likely to have explored most avenues for dealing with him under mental health legislation and drawn a blank.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I love it when you do your huntin, fishin, shootin, drivin, big macho man stuffKids are growing up with appearance issues because people get the hump with some twat cruising the country with his bollocks out?
What a load of auld crap!
elbows
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I believe this is why he spends most of his jail time isolated from other prisoners.
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