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LLETSA said:
Saying critical things about anarchism on Urban 75 is 'colluding with the state'? Is this the New Totalitarianism or what? You'll be advocating show trials and forced confessions next.

Don't you think you might just have things a little bit out of proportion? And an inflated sense of your own/anarchism's importance?

Okay state collusion is prolly a lil over the top but I think its not helpful. Say ruckers are cunts if you like but at least add the caveat that its a response to the violence and implied violence of the state, if you want to appear honest, especially when you are talking to the 'mass of working class'.
 
swarthy thug said:
Thumper Browne said:
You don't know me, so fuck off, cunt.[/QUOTE


Do you norammly insult people like that the first time you met them,youll end up like dennis neilsen you know slopping out the human grual from yer seedy bedsit.

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Fuck me, you and LLESTA are peas from the same pod. On another thread he accuses me of putting words in his mouth whilst putting words in mine. You show up here, our first exchange, you call me a crusty, at least that's the way it read in the context of U75, which in effect meant you insulted me with your first post. Pots and kettles, like.
 
Thumper Browne said:
Fuck me, you and LLESTA are peas from the same pod. On another thread he accuses me of putting words in his mouth whilst putting words in mine. You show up here, our first exchange, you call me a crusty, at least that's the way it read in the context of U75, which in effect meant you insulted me with your first post. Pots and kettles, like.

'swarthy thug' sounds intimidating, but really he's a big softie and out to wind you up (he's succeeded I see). I thought you'd retired to the bog Koner?
 
You've left 'destroying the passer by' off your anarcho shopping list

Thumper Browne said:
I too enthuse about rucking with cops, and graffitti and shoplifting and all sorts of 'anti-social' behaviour, its part of what being an Anarchist is about, innit, in the here and now, in capitalist society, I am motivated to act, to attack capital. I don't see it as juevenille, unless to have a laugh and to get one up, albeit for brief periods, on authority, is purely a juevenille activity.

But I also acknowledge that in the here and now, in capitalist society, these actions will be used against me and that in this light these juevenille activities are counter productive to real anarchic 'progress'.

That's the humour innit, in revolutionary terms, rucking with cops is secondary to local w/c organisation but we have to acknowledge the short term rewards are far greater for the former.

Real anarchists, to me, are those that can engage in both, each at the right time. So I guess, to me, a 'real' anarchist is an anarchist with good timing.



As Ali G said, "I has heard all the arguments. I don't undertand any of dem. But I is really up for a ruck wid de police."

Where does it go on, this 'rucking with the cops' that you keep referring to? And what are these 'short term rewards' it's supposed to lead to?

You acknowledge that it 'undermines real anarchic progress' (a strange term that needs explaining.) So it's a bit like chasing your tail then?
 
Ryazan said:
Thanks for the info, but not interested.




Blag- :D

Middle class anarchists using working class slang for their propaganda.

Smells like shit "tabloid" tactics similar to Class War.

I wonder how many workers read Blag. Maybe a handful of middle class students at the nearby university.

and jugglers, treehouse builders, and those who are up for 'rucking with cops' (apparantly its a point of resistance against the state).

But, it has just struck me, you must be one of the few people on here who has discussed anarchism whilst not being being part of the left or part of an anarchist circle. How was that then?
 
swarthy thug said:
Thumper Browne said:
You don't know me, so fuck off, cunt.[/QUOTE


Do you norammly insult people like that the first time you met them,youll end up like dennis neilsen you know slopping out the human grual from yer seedy bedsit.

176077_1.jpg

At least I am not getting attacked as much on this thread.
 
MC5 said:
'swarthy thug' sounds intimidating, but really he's a big softie and out to wind you up (he's succeeded I see). I thought you'd retired to the bog Koner?


Ive had to resort to imodain to harden my stools.I miss my five minutes of poltics on a morning with ra,the rest of the day im human dust.
 
Thumper Browne said:
Fuck me, you and LLESTA are peas from the same pod. On another thread he accuses me of putting words in his mouth whilst putting words in mine. You show up here, our first exchange, you call me a crusty, at least that's the way it read in the context of U75, which in effect meant you insulted me with your first post. Pots and kettles, like.

I thought the first excange was you calling me a cunt.Not nice that,not for shyboys like me. :(
 
The Ego has Landed (2)

Ryazan said:
At least I am not getting attacked as much on this thread.




Was there really any need for that comment? Some would call it attention seeking.
 
Chuck Wilson said:
and jugglers, treehouse builders, and those who are up for 'rucking with cops' (apparantly its a point of resistance against the state).

But, it has just struck me, you must be one of the few people on here who has discussed anarchism whilst not being being part of the left or part of an anarchist circle. How was that then?

I observe from a distance. I have read about anarchism, and other attempts at building "equal socieites" from other ideoligical standpoints, the various groups involved, South America, USSR, Yugoslavia...........Just because I am not part of any group does not mean I am not that illinformed about the, ahem, "left".

I have dipped my toes but feel unsure as to which direction I should follow. I am unashamedly classist, which does draw me to always see things through a class lense, which means also looking at the makeup of so called revoltionary groups that have attractive slogans and talk a good shop about workers issues, but offer very little practically in my day to day life, as an ordinary worker. It seems to me to be more about middle class posturing, from my experiences meeting anarchists, and mainstream local counselllors.

I am not active in any way in any group, apart from donating money regularly to things which I feel are of benefit. One is taking part in a sponsorship programme for women affected by rape and displacement during the Bosnian war. Gives them employment training, and also help with housing and other practical things. Another thing of mine is giving money to a refuge for prositutes in London, which also does research into prostitution, particulary foreign sex workers. And I also regularly donate to the IWCA. Pity such a thing has not spread oop north. If something like this has, I haven't noticed it. But it's success could send ripples elsewhere.

That's it. I don't build treehouses, or other such anti-capitalist activity. But, one day I am sure I will join something. Just waiting to see what becomes more attractive towards my beliefs and abilties. Middle class cliques are what I have noticed so far. And a social forum, well, when such a thing appears in a residential area instead of a university, and is not elitist and does not pander to young middle class student pretensions, then I will consider it a "social forum".
 
This is a great thread. It should be archived. It's made me, at different times, enraged, bewildered, despondent and amused.
 
Thumper Browne said:
Again, sarcasm. What's the point in arguing with you? I accuse you of colluding with the state over the demonisation of anarchists and you repsond with sarcasm. Come on I want to know, is it only bad press that the ruckers generate that alienates the 'mass of working class' from anarchism? And don;t you think that these rucks could be put in a better light by bedating the real reasons for the rucks, the violence of the state as well as the machismo of the individual ruckers?

Are you for real? This is exactly the sort of juvenile embarrassing post that I was referring to . Unless I have misunderstood ;apparantly you and your mate are supposedly up for ruck with the police but manage to control this natural urge in order to work within communities but good anarchists can do both.However the real reason for these rucks is the violence of the state. ?

You sound like you're the sort of person who thinks dropping litter is a revolutionary act.
 
Ryazan said:
I observe from a distance. I have read about anarchism, and other attempts at building "equal socieites" from other ideoligical standpoints, the various groups involved, South America, USSR, Yugoslavia...........Just because I am not part of any group does not mean I am not that illinformed about the, ahem, "left".

I have dipped my toes but feel unsure as to which direction I should follow. I am unashamedly classist, which does draw me to always see things through a class lense, which means also looking at the makeup of so called revoltionary groups that have attractive slogans and talk a good shop about workers issues, but offer very little practically in my day to day life, as an ordinary worker. It seems to me to be more about middle class posturing, from my experiences meeting anarchists, and mainstream local counselllors.

I am not active in any way in any group, apart from donating money regularly to things which I feel are of benefit. One is taking part in a sponsorship programme for women affected by rape and displacement during the Bosnian war. Gives them employment training, and also help with housing and other practical things. Another thing of mine is giving money to a refuge for prositutes in London, which also does research into prostitution, particulary foreign sex workers. And I also regularly donate to the IWCA. Pity such a thing has not spread oop north. If something like this has, I haven't noticed it. But it's success could send ripples elsewhere.

That's it. I don't build treehouses, or other such anti-capitalist activity. But, one day I am sure I will join something. Just waiting to see what becomes more attractive towards my beliefs and abilties. Middle class cliques are what I have noticed so far. And a social forum, well, when such a thing appears in a residential area instead of a university, and is not elitist and does not pander to young middle class student pretensions, then I will consider it a "social forum".


Thanks pal.
 
Thumper Browne said:
Fuck me, you and LLESTA are peas from the same pod. On another thread he accuses me of putting words in his mouth whilst putting words in mine. You show up here, our first exchange, you call me a crusty, at least that's the way it read in the context of U75, which in effect meant you insulted me with your first post. Pots and kettles, like.



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Just read the Manchester Evening news and low and behold some anarchists have grabbed the headlines, well page two bottom bit to be exact. Manchester City Council is doing one of its 100 days to clean up the city and is targetting litter, flytipping, graffiti asb etc having been shortlisted for the Tidy City award or something like that but some anrchists are opposing it.Now the MEN is pro the Council on asb and obviously isn't going to give the anarchists fair representation but the anarchists are issuing badges with no to the 100 days which for your average punter might be construed as being in favour of litter, asb, graffitti etc. I am working away so I can't get any of the badges etc anyone any more details or info?

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/146/146959_anger_over_citys_dirty_terrorists.html
 
...the anarchists are issuing badges with no to the 100 days which for your average punter might be construed as being in favour of litter, asb, graffitti etc.
It's difficult not to construe it in that way.
 
The cunt has landed (errr...1)

LLETSA said:
Was there really any need for that comment? Some would call it attention seeking.

No no, not at all. Just a pattern I have noticed from your posts, ans those of butchersapron, ernestotwatface, and Chuck Norris.
 
Louis MacNeice said:
Well it seems to consist of pointing out the all too obvious fact that the vast majority of working class people aren't queing up with the real anarchists to fight the police...the up shot of which is I think you need to work on your sense of proportion.

Take care - Louis Mac :D

"I watched from the pavement as more than 300... charged police - pelting them with a hail of bricks, bottles, wooden poles and traffic cones".

"A television camera crew found themselves caught in no man's land and watched helplessly as... thugs destroyed their cameras and attacked their van".

"...fought running battles with riot police, who by this time were in no mood to mess around... ripped down walls - breaking up bricks and hurling them at police".


i think it also needs pointing out working class people do queue up to fight the police. Different context, different circumstances, but we could equally ask why aren't the vast majority of anarchists queueing up with 'real working class people' to fight the police?

swarthy thug said:
I bet your soft as shit in real life.

I think the term is prop forward. I would just like to clarify i don't "ruck" with the police, have never "rucked" with the police, & i sharn't be "rucking" with the police in the future. If however i am cleaning up my estate & handing out leaflets then thumper browne is one person i would be happy to have by my side.
 
Chuck Wilson said:
Just read the Manchester Evening news and low and behold some anarchists have grabbed the headlines, well page two bottom bit to be exact. Manchester City Council is doing one of its 100 days to clean up the city and is targetting litter, flytipping, graffiti asb etc having been shortlisted for the Tidy City award or something like that but some anrchists are opposing it.Now the MEN is pro the Council on asb and obviously isn't going to give the anarchists fair representation but the anarchists are issuing badges with no to the 100 days which for your average punter might be construed as being in favour of litter, asb, graffitti etc. I am working away so I can't get any of the badges etc anyone any more details or info?

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/146/146959_anger_over_citys_dirty_terrorists.html

they are also issuing badges that say "yuppie invasion tosser" How do you reckon that would be construed by "you average punter"?

And guess what, i looked over their website. Not one mention of the word anarchism/anarchy.

And guess what if you actually read the fucking website (instead of investing in the time-honoured knee jerk bullshit reaction) it comes across as a teenage iwca with added humour.

Maybe it's just me but i credit "your average punter" with a bit more intelligence.
 
montevideo said:
"I watched from the pavement as more than 300... charged police - pelting them with a hail of bricks, bottles, wooden poles and traffic cones".

"A television camera crew found themselves caught in no man's land and watched helplessly as... thugs destroyed their cameras and attacked their van".

"...fought running battles with riot police, who by this time were in no mood to mess around... ripped down walls - breaking up bricks and hurling them at police".


i think it also needs pointing out working class people do queue up to fight the police. Different context, different circumstances, but we could equally ask why aren't the vast majority of anarchists queueing up with 'real working class people' to fight the police?



I think the term is prop forward. I would just like to clarify i don't "ruck" with the police, have never "rucked" with the police, & i sharn't be "rucking" with the police in the future. If however i am cleaning up my estate & handing out leaflets then thumper browne is one person i would be happy to have by my side.


Those who contansly brag about how hard there are,are useally quivering wrecks when a real mash up happens.
 
ernestolynch said:
What the market by the canal full of tie-dye stalls, new-age bollocks and vegan cafes?

How many 'normal people' go into these social centres?

Looks like your knowledge of leeds is limited, that place is granary wharfe and no where near leeds market which sells fruit and veg and and that.

What do you define as normal. We currently have a refugee group interested in space and im hoping to bring trade union colleagues down for meetings. we alos have lots of people from accross the community of leeds helping out!
 
Herbert Read said:
Looks like your knowledge of leeds is limited, that place is granary wharfe and no where near leeds market which sells fruit and veg and and that.

What do you define as normal. We currently have a refugee group interested in space and im hoping to bring trade union colleagues down for meetings. we alos have lots of people from accross the community of leeds helping out!


I know leeds very well how comes your helping out the w/c in places like seacroft/harehills/chapel town.Or are dilettantes rightly given hole in the groin by people who can smell them.
 
Herbert Read said:
What do you define as normal.

Normal is a bit of a loaded word, but as involvement in any form of left or anarchist politics is incredibly unusual, I'd have though normal could be defined as everybody else.
 
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