The most working-class anarchist group is...

[Ryazan]

But goes against the grain of everything that you've ever posted on here.

No it isn't. Culturally in general middle class people (or rather people from priovileged middle class homes, and have had public schooling etc) do not understand what it is like to be born into a poor background. They may sympathise, and be around it, but they aren't of it.

I am not a Marxist, and therefore don't resort to a small defintion to describe myself as working class, like some here do. The "average" working class "lad" or "lass" off the street can small a faker a mile off.

 

[Herbert Read]

Maybe when I'm about to log off I miss the point of a one-line answer that doesn't even make it clear which post it's replying to.

But no sense of humour? That's a bit rich coming from some of you lot (read back through the thread matie.)

Sense of humour you are the one who demands serious politics at all time are you going to resond to my post 291!

Still no reply well that sums you up !

 

[Ryazan]

Sorry, thought for a moment you had had another crisis and become homeless again. You're in luck, I found this :

Thanks for the info, but not interested.

Blag-

Middle class anarchists using working class slang for their propaganda.

Smells like shit "tabloid" tactics similar to Class War.

I wonder how many workers read Blag. Maybe a handful of middle class students at the nearby university.

 

[Thumper Browne]

Don't understand that reply.

However - fighting coppers! Cor that's radical - be careful not to stop too quickly when you're walking along the street - you might get crushed by that mass of working class people marching along behind you ready to be led to where the action is.

Not doing youself any favours today huh?

 

[butchersapron]

No it isn't. Culturally in general middle class people (or rather people from priovileged middle class homes, and have had public schooling etc) do not understand what it is like to be born into a poor background. They may sympathise, and be around it, but they aren't of it.

I am not a Marxist, and therefore don't resort to a small defintion to describe myself as working class, like some here do. The "average" working class "lad" or "lass" off the street can small a faker a mile off.

Which bears what relation to the point you were posting in agreement with? Other than practically flatly contradiciting it? Or my reply?

edit: there's a thread in the suburban forum you might be able to help some people with btw:
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=105769

 

[LLETSA]

Sense of humour you are the one who demands serious politics at all time are you going to resond to my post 291!

Still no reply well that sums you up !

You might have a job where you can arse around on here all day, others don't. I have to come on when I can.

What I meant about the lack of politics in your post was that you never really have any kind of analysis of either the political current of which you are a part or other ones, nor how they fit into the contemporary political situation, whether they have stood the test of time, where they have been found wanting and so on. Granted there is plenty of enthusiasm in your posts but all they ever seem to amount to is a defensive, apolitical 'I do this this and this me, so shut it!'

 

[LLETSA]

Not doing youself any favours today huh?

Don't know what's up with you - it isn't that far removed from the juvenile crap that gets posted on here by some of the 'anarchists.'

I notice you have nothing to say to any of the criticisms of anarchism that have been put forward. As 'outraged' and defensive as most of the others?

 

[charlie mowbray]

You ARE as tedious as Justin

 

[LLETSA]

You ARE as tedious as Justin

I do me best.

 

[Thumper Browne]

Don't know what's up with you - it isn't that far removed from the juvenile crap that gets posted on here by some of the 'anarchists.'

I notice you have nothing to say to any of the criticisms of anarchism that have been put forward. As 'outraged' and defensive as most of the others?

I used to come on here banging on about how invisible the UK Anarchist scene was, truth is, it was there all along, it was just I personally was a million miles away from it. I realised my mistake.

I have nothing to say on this thread cos I can't add much to what posters have already written.

I did find it funny tho, that you thought Monte was serious about fighting cops and I know where that humour comes from but you further illustrated your distance from real anarchism by responding in a serious manner.

That alone was worthy of note.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I did find it funny tho, that you thought Monte was serious about fighting cops and I know where that humour comes from but you further illustrated your distance from real anarchism by responding in a serious manner.

That alone was worthy of note.

Have you never heard an anarchist enthusing about rucking with the police? Or does such a enthusiasm debar them from being 'real anarchists'?

All the best - Louis Mac

 

[Thumper Browne]

Have you never heard an anarchist enthusing about rucking with the police? Or does such a enthusiasm debar them from being 'real anarchists'?

All the best - Louis Mac

I too enthuse about rucking with cops, and graffitti and shoplifting and all sorts of 'anti-social' behaviour, its part of what being an Anarchist is about, innit, in the here and now, in capitalist society, I am motivated to act, to attack capital. I don't see it as juevenille, unless to have a laugh and to get one up, albeit for brief periods, on authority, is purely a juevenille activity.

But I also acknowledge that in the here and now, in capitalist society, these actions will be used against me and that in this light these juevenille activities are counter productive to real anarchic 'progress'.

That's the humour innit, in revolutionary terms, rucking with cops is secondary to local w/c organisation but we have to acknowledge the short term rewards are far greater for the former.

Real anarchists, to me, are those that can engage in both, each at the right time. So I guess, to me, a 'real' anarchist is an anarchist with good timing.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I too enthuse about rucking with cops, and graffitti and shoplifting and all sorts of 'anti-social' behaviour, its part of what being an Anarchist is about, innit, in the here and now, in capitalist society, I am motivated to act, to attack capital. I don't see it as juevenille, unless to have a laugh and to get one up, albeit for brief periods, on authority, is purely a juevenille activity.

But I also acknowledge that in the here and now, in capitalist society, these actions will be used against me and that in this light these juevenille activities are counter productive to real anarchic 'progress'.

That's the humour innit, in revolutionary terms, rucking with cops is secondary to local w/c organisation but we have to acknowledge the short term rewards are far greater for the former.

Real anarchists, to me, are those that can engage in both, each at the right time. So I guess, to me, a 'real' anarchist is an anarchist with good timing.

So you are serious about 'rucking' with the police; it's an attack on capital afterall. Which is a little bit of an odd thing to say, given your previous criticism of LLETSA ('I did find it funny tho, that you thought Monte was serious about fighting cops')...or isn't Monte as serious about attacking capital as you?

Cheers - Louis Mac

 

[Thumper Browne]

So you are serious about 'rucking' with the police; it's an attack on capital afterall. Which is a little bit of an odd thing to say, given your previous criticism of LLETSA ('I did find it funny tho, that you thought Monte was serious about fighting cops')...or isn't Monte as serious about attacking capital as you?

Cheers - Louis Mac

However - fighting coppers! Cor that's radical - be careful not to stop too quickly when you're walking along the street - you might get crushed by that mass of working class people marching along behind you ready to be led to where the action is.

It was this reamrk that I was criticising, the automatic sarcastic disassociation of rucking anarchos with the 'mass of working class people'.

I support rucking and wish that the 'mass of working class people' saw the rucking in its proper context to wit the said sarcastic response adds nothing, in fact it plays the state's game for them.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

It was this reamrk that I was criticising, the automatic sarcastic disassociation of rucking anarchos with the 'mass of working class people'.

I support rucking and wish that the 'mass of working class people' saw the rucking in its proper context to wit the said sarcastic response adds nothing, in fact it plays the state's game for them.

Thumper just how far are you willing to go in defense of your ill thought out dig at LLETSA...you seem to be saying that now he is objectively doing the work of the state. And the content of his state lackey labour is? Well it seems to consist of pointing out the all too obvious fact that the vast majority of working class people aren't queing up with the real anarchists to fight the police...the up shot of which is I think you need to work on your sense of proportion.

Take care - Louis Mac

 

[Thumper Browne]

or isn't Monte as serious about attacking capital as you?

I've met Monte on one or two occaisions and I believe he is up for a ruck as much as the next man, if the next man is me and I'm sure he views rucking in the same context as I do in that its right at the right time in the right place but is by no means the sole pursuit of anarchists, in fact, rucking with the plod has no place in an anarchist society because the plod have no place in an anarchist society.

But in capitalist society rucking certainly does have a place but should be regarded as anti-capitalist, attacking capital, but being anti-capitalist doesn't make it anarchist.

We can be as serious as we like about rucking with cops but we shouldn't really say its anarchism. And there endeth the humour.

personally speaking 1) methods of working together 2) fighting coppers, innit

1) anarchism 2) anti-capitalism

 

[Blagsta]

Why this obsession with "rucking"? It's all a bit macho wank fantasy bollocks.

 

[swarthy thug]

It was this reamrk that I was criticising, the automatic sarcastic disassociation of rucking anarchos with the 'mass of working class people'.

I support rucking and wish that the 'mass of working class people' saw the rucking in its proper context to wit the said sarcastic response adds nothing, in fact it plays the state's game for them.

I bet your soft as shit in real life.

 

[LLETSA]

Phew ruck 'n' roll....

It was this reamrk that I was criticising, the automatic sarcastic disassociation of rucking anarchos with the 'mass of working class people'.

I support rucking and wish that the 'mass of working class people' saw the rucking in its proper context to wit the said sarcastic response adds nothing, in fact it plays the state's game for them.

When you do your 'rucking' do you get to wear one of those bandana things across your gob?

 

[swarthy thug]

When you do your 'rucking' do you get to wear one of those bandana things across your gob?

And remember he needs a palestain headscarve wraped around his bonce to show his solidarty.Its like if yorkshire was invaded by the lancys people in jordan would wear flat caps and a halfed smoked roll up in there gobs.


bythe wat llatsa good to hear your still around since the demise of the ra boards its thomas koner hear.

 

[Thumper Browne]

Why this obsession with "rucking"? It's all a bit macho wank fantasy bollocks.

Cos Monte made a tongue in cheek gag about rucking with the cops and a LLESTA flamed him for it, a couple of people chuckled at his indignant response and it all went tits up from there.

I bet your soft as shit in real life.

You and me both, sweetheart, m'wah!

When you do your 'rucking' do you get to wear one of those bandana things across your gob?

Again, sarcasm. What's the point in arguing with you? I accuse you of colluding with the state over the demonisation of anarchists and you repsond with sarcasm. Come on I want to know, is it only bad press that the ruckers generate that alienates the 'mass of working class' from anarchism? And don;t you think that these rucks could be put in a better light by bedating the real reasons for the rucks, the violence of the state as well as the machismo of the individual ruckers?

 

[LLETSA]

And remember he needs a palestain headscarve wraped around his bonce to show his solidarty.Its like if yorkshire was invaded by the lancys people in jordan would wear flat caps and a halfed smoked roll up in there gobs.


bythe wat llatsa good to hear your still around since the demise of the ra boards its thomas koner hear.

Knew it right from the start!

 

[Thumper Browne]

And remember he needs a palestain headscarve wraped around his bonce to show his solidarty.

You don't know me, so fuck off, cunt.

 

[Thumper Browne]

Knew it right from the start!

Knew what from the start?

Are we just now going to descend into whos' more radical, who's more grounded in reality, who's more working class etc, etc, etc?

 

[swarthy thug]

You don't know me, so fuck off, cunt.

soap and water lad ,soap and water.

 

[Thumper Browne]

soap and water lad ,soap and water.

Right so you paint me as a crusty.

You are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. this wide of the mark.

Chump!

 

[LLETSA]

Again, sarcasm. What's the point in arguing with you? I accuse you of colluding with the state over the demonisation of anarchists and you repsond with sarcasm. Come on I want to know, is it only bad press that the ruckers generate that alienates the 'mass of working class' from anarchism? And don;t you think that these rucks could be put in a better light by bedating the real reasons for the rucks, the violence of the state as well as the machismo of the individual ruckers?

Saying critical things about anarchism on Urban 75 is 'colluding with the state'? Is this the New Totalitarianism or what? You'll be advocating show trials and forced confessions next.

Don't you think you might just have things a little bit out of proportion? And an inflated sense of your own/anarchism's importance?

 

[swarthy thug]

You don't know me, so fuck off, cunt.[/QUOTE


Do you norammly insult people like that the first time you met them,youll end up like dennis neilsen you know slopping out the human grual from yer seedy bedsit.

 

[swarthy thug]

Right so you paint me as a crusty.

You are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. this wide of the mark.

Chump!

Nothing to do with being a crusty,soap and water is what me dad used to say when i swore like a fishwife

 

[LLETSA]

Knew what from the start?

That it was Thomas Koner from the RA board.

Don't be so twitchy.