The Labour Conference

[articul8]

child benefit cap isn't welfare bashing then?

bloody children, refusing to go up the chimneys and earn an honest day's pay - makes you sick

 

[treelover]

So today we announce new support for carers: protected funding for carer’s breaks; the right to ask for an annual health check; help with hospital car parking for carers; and we will go further.

How much longer will society send out the message to young people looking after someone else’s mum, dad, brother or sister that it is the lowest form of work, lower than the minimum wage because it doesn’t pay the travel time between the 15 minute visits?
How much longer will we see these shameful scenes from care homes on our TV screens of people being shouted at or abused and not say enough is enough?
And for how much longer, in this the century of the ageing society, will we allow a care system in England to be run as a race to the bottom, making profits off the backs of our most vulnerable?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...libands-morning-interviews-politics-live-blog

Burnham apparently did a good speech on the NHS, some good stuff for carers and those who need care which would help quite a few on here.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I don't see a Labour majority after May - I hope to be proved wrong but think another hung parliament is entirely possible.

I think it very likely too and I fail to see how that would help labour because they have no chance going on as a minority which leaves an alliance with...?

 

[butchersapron]

I don't see a Labour majority after May - I hope to be proved wrong but think another hung parliament is entirely possible.

You're not exactly known for being able to read political feeling and possibilities though are you? Galloway has no chance in bradford, Nick griffin has a chance in barking , Labour has a chance in Clacton. All hopelessly wrong and in each you were miles off the pace.

 

[Dogsauce]

Hung parliament with the tories getting in bed with the SNP to scrape together an administration. Imagine how much that would cunt people off!

(I don't believe it, just amused at the hypothetical mayhem)

 

[ViolentPanda]

think my cousin is a spin doctor or some such for them, the guff about 'social justice' that he comes out with on fb is extremely grating and worse, he probably believes it

<bad taste>
Kill your cousin, or better yet, maim your cousin so that they have to claim ESA.</bad taste>

 

[krink]

i like the idea of a hung parliament

 

[articul8]

. All hopelessly wrong and in each you were miles off the pace.

you saying I'm miles out this time?

 

[butchersapron]

you saying I'm miles out this time?

No, i'm saying that you were miles out those times i listed. This time there's only two real serious outcomes - which helps you.

 

[articul8]

No, i'm saying that you were miles out those times i listed. This time there's only two real serious outcomes - which helps you.

I wouldn't have said that Griffin had a chance once the campaign proper had got fully underway - Galloway was a surprise but then i wasn't claiming any specific local knowledge. Clacton we'll see about when it comes to a general election. Don't expect it will go Labour, but it will be closer than the byelection/

 

[gosub]

Hung parliament with the tories getting in bed with the SNP to scrape together an administration. Imagine how much that would cunt people off!

(I don't believe it, just amused at the hypothetical mayhem)

Involving SNP would only go so far, they obstinate from voting on non Scottish matters...

 

[butchersapron]

I wouldn't have said that Griffin had a chance once the campaign proper had got fully underway - Galloway was a surprise but then i wasn't claiming any specific local knowledge. Clacton we'll see about when it comes to a general election. Don't expect it will go Labour, but it will be closer than the byelection/

Right, it's only before elections and in areas that you don't know well(that's what, 95% of them?) that you are miles off in. Righto.

 

[Awesome Wells]

HEARTLESS Labour chiefs forced a group of disabled delegates to give up their seats for “party suits” minutes before Ed Miliband’s speech yesterday, the Morning Star can reveal.

Delegate and Morning Star contributor Bernadette Horton tripped and fell as she was shifted so some “bright young things” could be in place to shake the Labour leader’s hand.

“As I was going up the stairs I just lost my footing and fell,” said Ms Horton who walks with a crutch.

“I was really upset and shaken.”

Venue stewards told the party worker the seats had been specially assigned to the 15 disabled delegates but were overruled.

Ms Horton said: “The people in suits saw this but didn’t say anything. I said ‘if you’re Labour you should be ashamed.’

“We’re like pariahs in our own party. It has to stop.”

Ms Horton is set to raise the issue today in a meeting with shadow minister for disabled people Kate Green.

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/...elegates-forced-out-of-front-row#.VCJ8tmORh8F

 

[butchersapron]

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/...elegates-forced-out-of-front-row#.VCJ8tmORh8F

Is this yet another reason that you're going to vote for them?

 

[treelover]

That's going to cost them.

 

[butchersapron]

It will cost them nothing. Zero.

 

[articul8]

It was stupid and wrong but compared to the coalition parties' attacks on disabled people it's not exactly comparable

 

[andysays]

It was stupid and wrong but compared to the coalition parties' attacks on disabled people it's not exactly comparable

How about "it was stupid and wrong but compared to their own attacks on disabled people in the past, their tacit support for the coalition parties' attacks on disabled people and their likely future attacks on disabled people as they follow the "logic" of neo-liberal austerity, it's not exactly comparable"?

Although I'm not too keen on your "compared to... ...not comparable" construction either...

 

[articul8]

agree there'll be a job shifting Labour on welfare reform but there are some basic aspects - like scrapping the bedroom tax - which would be better under Labour.

 

[Pickman's model]

agree there'll be a job shifting Labour on welfare reform but there are some basic aspects - like scrapping the bedroom tax - which would be better under Labour.

tbh i think the tories could scrap the bedroom tax at least as well as labour if they set their minds to it

 

[Pickman's model]

It was stupid and wrong but compared to the coalition parties' attacks on disabled people it's not exactly comparable

if it's compared to the coalition's attacks on disabled people then it is comparable.

remedial english beckons, articul8.

 

[MrSki]

 

[articul8]

is it exactly comparable though? Sorry Pickman's model your pedantry has failed you this time

 

[tony heath]

There's nothing like comparing things that aren't the same?

 

[Pickman's model]

is it exactly comparable though? Sorry Pickman's model your pedantry has failed you this time

things that are comparable do not have to be exactly the same. here you are using comparable in its meaning of equivalent. above you use comparable and compared in the same sentence. you don't have a clew, do you?

 

[articul8]

clew

?!

Things can logically be comparable without being exactly comparable - ie broadly comparable

 

[butchersapron]

All because little artie tried to call someone... What was the word?

 

[andysays]

agree there'll be a job shifting Labour on welfare reform but there are some basic aspects - like scrapping the bedroom tax - which would be better under Labour.

But, to use your construction, compared to policies specifically directed at disabled people, the bedroom tax is not exactly comparable.

If we look instead at policies which are directed specifically at the sick and disabled (and I realise that the two are not synonymous) then the policy of "encouraging" all of them back into work "for their own good", whilst it has been continued and expanded by the coalition government, was actually pioneered by the previous Labour govt.

It would fit more with Labour party practice for you to argue that, in insisting that disabled delegates move to other seats, they were actually encouraging them to become more mobile and avoid becoming "imprisoned in their disability".

 

[Pickman's model]

?!

Things can logically be comparable without being exactly comparable - ie broadly comparable

what was that you were saying about pedantry?

 

[tony heath]

Is "I know that living with you baby was sometimes hard but I'm willing to give it another try" going to be Labours election rallying song?