The Labour Conference

[Pickman's model]

Conference reacts to Ed Balls saying he will extend the cap on child benefit even longer than the Tories already are

the week labour lost the next election was the week they elected an uncharismatick fuckwit with all the political nous of a deranged earthworm as their leader

 

[a_chap]

Earthwormist

 

[weltweit]

You can't solve everything by taxing smokers!

Or delivering a speech without autocue. What would people prefer, a sound bitey speech delivered without autocue or a proper thought out speech delivered with! ?

 

[ferrelhadley]

#LAB14
My lips are sealed.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

summary so far

"we're going to do everything the same as the tories if not more so"

"the tories are crap, vote for us"

"vote labour - marginally less shit than the tories but not radically so or anything like that"

:uninspired face:

 

[Libertad]

Uninspired face:

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Uninspired face:

can you put that under a spoiler tag please?

 

[weltweit]

Uninspired face:

His left eye is slightly below the level of his right eye.

 

[SovietArmy]

'Together we can! Yes we can!' Oh fuck off.

Together we ocupay Labour Party.

 

[DotCommunist]

thats been tried and denied

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I love how the dailymash use this picture for pretty much every article they write about him

 

[savoloysam]

'Together we can! Yes we can!' Oh fuck off.

Our mate dave had a similar punchline.

 

[JimW]

Uninspired face:

Maybe he has leadership potential after all:

 

[savoloysam]

No cheese gromit.

 

[gabi]

Jesus. I happened to tune in to this when I got home last night. Awful, but I couldn't take my eyes off it.

He has all the charisma of a dead fish. It was toe curling to watch. Cameron's a cunt yes, but he knows how to deliver a speech. The same goes for Blair. I'm sure Ed means well but there absolutely no way he will win anything, let alone a general election. How in gods name did he become the leader of the fucking opposition?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

He'll win despite all of that though.

 

[gabi]

I think if I exhumed my long dead dog, she could beat Cameron. Ed tho. No chance. He's completely and utterly useless as a politician. The Labour Party voted him in, and they'll regret this. At least his brother commands a bit of attention, rather than pity.

5 more years of the fucking Tories then.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I think if I exhumed my long dead dog, she could beat Cameron. Ed tho. No chance. He's completely and utterly useless as a politician. The Labour Party voted him in, and they'll regret this. At least his brother commands a bit of attention, rather than pity.

5 more years of the fucking Tories then.

This is the state of the polls, apparently.

eta: Interesting to not that since the beginning of the year any rises in support for UKIP seem to have come from ex Labour/Libdem voters.

 

[gabi]

Seriously? Labours leading? I mean, that's a good thing I guess, but genuinely surprised.

 

[iamwithnail]

This is the state of the polls, apparently.



eta: Interesting to not that since the beginning of the year any rises in support for UKIP seem to have come from ex Labour/Libdem voters.

Some but not most/all, iirc. Last poll I looked at saw most (55%?) of the UKIP coming from people who hadn't bothered to vote at the last election ("Didn't vote" on the baseline question.) - a reasonable number of people are moving out from Lab/Lib voting to 'Don't know/won't vote' for fairly obvious reasons, so you see the shift - it's not a direct loss from one to the other. I'll try and dig the poll out after I've had some coffee.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Conference reacts to Ed Balls saying he will extend the cap on child benefit even longer than the Tories already are

I heard he was booed.

They really ought to ditch him, he's an absolute liability.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I still think we have to vote labor next year. As shit as they are.

From what I've read, there's a bit more hope from Rachel Reeves speech, but without knowing the details of what she intends is hard to comment. Again she did reaffirm hey pledge, at least, to repeal the bedroom tax.

 

[andysays]

Seriously? Labours leading? I mean, that's a good thing I guess, but genuinely surprised.

Given that graph suggests Labour having been leading in the polls for the last four years, and that they have been forecast for some time to win an outright majority, a fact which has been much-discussed on Urban, one can only assume you haven't really been paying attention.

Your surprise at a well established fact suggests to me that the rest of your opinions/predictions about British politics may be similarly lacking...

 

[gabi]

I don't live in the UK anymore, so forgive me for my lack of attention.

Yesterday was the first chance in a long time I'd had to view Miliband in action. And as such I'm deeply surprised he could be leading in the polls. He was utterly useless.

I'm a betting man. I'll wager you right now that he won't win an outright majority. No chance.

 

[andysays]

I don't live in the UK anymore, so forgive me for my lack of attention.

Yesterday was the first chance in a long time I'd had to view Miliband in action. And as such I'm deeply surprised he could be leading in the polls. He was utterly useless.

I'm a betting man. I'll wager you right now that he won't win an outright majority. No chance.

I'll forgive your lack of attention, it's your tendency to make definitive pronouncements on subject about which you are woefully and willfully ignorant I'm not so keen on.

And for your information, because you haven't been paying attention, Miliband has been criticised for having shit policies and shit presentation ever since he became leader of the Labour party. And yet Labour has still had a lead in the polls consistantly for the last four years.

I suggest there is still a strong chance they will win a majority, although there is obviously also a chance they won't. But if they don't, it won't be because Miliband has shit policies and shit presentation, because that's been the case from day one.

 

[gabi]

Thank you for your patronising arseholiness.

Tis much appreciated

Now about that wager.

 

[butchersapron]

This has been done to death, but once more won't hurt i suppose. The last three polls show, 6 months before the election:

YG
CON 31
LAB 37
LD 7
UKIP 15

LA
LAB 33%
CON 27%
LDEM 9%,
UKIP 17%

POPULUS:
LAB 37%,
CON 33%
LDEM 9%
UKIP 12%

All shows strong leads for labour that would lead to medium-large majorities on fairly crude uniform national swing models. That is without taking into effect the Tory seats that UKIP are going to cost the tories (estimates go from 15-40ish) or the fact that, due to the way the vote is distributed geographically and other factors, the tories need to win 40% of the vote and for labour to drop to high 20s/v low 30s and to lose all the lib-dem switchers in the process to stop them getting a majority.

As for Miliband, he's had pretty bad personal ratings since being elected (and he keeps managing to win various elections over many years despite this impassable handicap doesn't he?) but they haven't effected the polling for the parties on voting intention.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

So basically the only way Labour can lose is if Jimmy Saville rises from the grave and personally endorses Milliband.

 

[butchersapron]

So basically the only way Labour can lose is if Jimmy Saville rises from the grave and personally endorses Milliband.

I think the only way would be for Miliband to endorse Savile.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]