The Labour Conference

[andysays]

I'm sure once the electorate hear thats gabi thinks Miliband is crap the whole thing will be up for grabs...

 

[gabi]

I'm sure once the electorate hear thats gabi thinks Miliband is crap the whole thing will be up for grabs...

You don't get this whole forum thing do you?

 

[articul8]

As for Miliband, he's had pretty bad personal ratings since being elected (and he keeps managing to win various elections over many years despite this impassable handicap doesn't he?) but they haven't effected the polling for the parties on voting intention.

No modern leader of the opposition has gone on to be PM with personal ratings that low. Labour were further ahead in the polls in 92?

 

[newbie]

Kellner* was on the radio yesterday saying Miliband polls lower than Cameron on the leadership question**, and Labour worse than the Tories on economic competence, and that there's never been an election where the winning party was behind on both in the runup.



* I think. If not him another pollster
** not at all surprised, Cameron appears to be outflanking him at every turn just now.

 

[ddraig]

I still think we have to vote labor next year. As shit as they are.

From what I've read, there's a bit more hope from Rachel Reeves speech, but without knowing the details of what she intends is hard to comment. Again she did reaffirm hey pledge, at least, to repeal the bedroom tax.

no 'we' don't, fuck off

 

[butchersapron]

No modern leader of the opposition has gone on to be PM with personal ratings that low. Labour were further ahead in the polls in 92?

No modern leader has to have sparkling personal ratings with the polling stats of the parties today.

And no, in 92 labour were polling 1-3% ahead on average in the immediate pre-election period. 6 months before they were roughly similar to now - but with the huge difference that both parties were polling above 40%. i.e the situation was such that the tories could reasonably expect to form a majority govt if labour support dropped and they maintained their own levels of support (which is what happened). Today the tories need not only that labour vote to drop but a huge rise in their own support back to that 40%+ level from the low 30s. Neither of them scenarios are going to happen - not with UKIP kicking chunks off their right wing and the lib-dems flocking to labour. Don't believe the scare stories from your progress mates.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I still think we have to vote labor next year. As shit as they are.

From what I've read, there's a bit more hope from Rachel Reeves speech, but without knowing the details of what she intends is hard to comment. Again she did reaffirm hey pledge, at least, to repeal the bedroom tax.

We've already done this, remember? You can vote labour if you like I'll be staying at home, ta.

 

[andysays]

You don't get this whole forum thing do you?

What, you mean the one where people post different opinions and (crucially) point out where others are forming opinions based on ignorance or mistaken thinking, and then criticise/mock them if they're just too arrogant to recognise this and insist that they know best after all?

No, I just don't get it...

 

[Awesome Wells]

We've already done this, remember? You can vote labour if you like I'll be staying at home, ta.

And we'll do it again since a) this is the labour party conference where they talk about policies and b) there's a general election on the horizon.

By all means return a tory government if you like, that's your democratic right.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I don't live in the UK anymore, so forgive me for my lack of attention.

Yesterday was the first chance in a long time I'd had to view Miliband in action. And as such I'm deeply surprised he could be leading in the polls. He was utterly useless.

I'm a betting man. I'll wager you right now that he won't win an outright majority. No chance.

He forgot half his speech too. Actually completely forgot to deliver it! The tories and their media attack dogs will be loving this. Ridiculous.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

By all means return a tory government if you like, that's your democratic right.

You still don't get how polls work or that only a small number of seats actually decide an election do you?

 

[Awesome Wells]

You still don't get how polls work or that only a small number of seats actually decide an election do you?

patronising me doesn't change the fact that by you not doing anything come May you will be helping return a Tory government.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

patronising me doesn't change the fact that by you not doing anything come May you will be helping return a Tory government.

Hahahaha oh dear Wells we're all so glad to have you back wiping your dick all over the politics section again.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Hahahaha oh dear Wells we're all so glad to have you back wiping your dick all over the politics section again.

That's nice.

The only thing we can do next year to get rid of the tories is vote them out. If people don't make the effort then we have only ourselves to blame for five more years of misery and death.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

That's nice.

The only thing we can do next year to get rid of the tories is vote them out. If people don't make the effort then we have only ourselves to blame for five more years of misery and death.

As I said. You still don't get how polling works do you? I bet you I don't have to turn up and Labour will still get into power. Fancy a wager?

 

[kebabking]

i'm wondering if Labours lead in the polls is more about the governments spectacular unpopularity than it is about who will actually walk into a polling station next year and put their 'X' in the Labour box.. i know the question asked is 'if there was an election tomorow..' etc.., but there might well be a difference between what people say they'd do and what they'll actually do 8 months down the line.

Andy Burnham got royally filletted last night on PM, he just came across like he didn't understand any of it, and his evasiveness was so obvious as to be comical.

 

[Awesome Wells]

As I said. You still don't get how polling works do you? I bet you I don't have to turn up and Labour will still get into power. Fancy a wager?

At this rate Labour wont' get anywhere near power.

 

[newbie]

it was good that, Mair is the best interviewer on radio.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

At this rate Labour wont' get anywhere near power.

Just don't get it do ya?

 

[Awesome Wells]

Andy Burnham got royally filletted last night on PM, he just came across like he didn't understand any of it, and his evasiveness was so obvious as to be comical.

That's not surprising at all. THey've spent 4 years with no answer to the blatant lie that has been shoved down our throats that Labour blew up the economy and ruined everything. I think Labour believe that to be true more than we do!

 

[Awesome Wells]

Just don't get it do ya?

You got next week's lottery numbers while you're there?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

You got next week's lottery numbers while you're there?

Look. At. Polls.

 

[butchersapron]

The only polling done on milibands speech and its proposals has found majority support for 90% of them and plurality for the remainder. He was doing a few risks speech to maintain party core, not give any easy hostages to fortune an keep things ticking over. It was a very good speech in terms of its political intentions - which is why you're misjudging it.

And he can make a speech like that, based on that sort of cynical motivation precisely because he and they know full well that you (awesome wells), and millions of others, are going to vote labour no matter what he said. This sort of thing that you deplore is partially your fault- it's the result of your actions.

 

[treelover]

I love how the dailymash use this picture for pretty much every article they write about him

There are crap pictures of all politicians, seen the ones of 'Fatso Cameron' for example, he looks confused in that picture granted, but is he is actually very sharp, and no I'm not a fan, though I like some of what he is saying now.

 

[treelover]

Seriously? Labours leading? I mean, that's a good thing I guess, but genuinely surprised.

They are beginning to have some good policies, people notice that, its noteable he didn't 'welfare bash' in his speech.

 

[treelover]

I heard he was booed.

They really ought to ditch him, he's an absolute liability.

agree with this about Balls, he is a Tory and very unpopular.

 

[ddraig]

They are beginning to have some good policies, people notice that, its noteable he didn't 'welfare bash' in his speech.

child benefit cap isn't welfare bashing then?

 

[treelover]

Yes, but he didn't demonise anyone,

small mercies.

 

[Dogsauce]

Changes to the minimum wage mean fuck all without parallel action to sort out the housing crisis. Any extra cash put in people's pockets will just get hoovered up by parasitic landlords and property speculators.

 

[articul8]

No modern leader has to have sparkling personal ratings with the polling stats of the parties today.

And no, in 92 labour were polling 1-3% ahead on average in the immediate pre-election period. 6 months before they were roughly similar to now - but with the huge difference that both parties were polling above 40%. i.e the situation was such that the tories could reasonably expect to form a majority govt if labour support dropped and they maintained their own levels of support (which is what happened). Today the tories need not only that labour vote to drop but a huge rise in their own support back to that 40%+ level from the low 30s. Neither of them scenarios are going to happen - not with UKIP kicking chunks off their right wing and the lib-dems flocking to labour. Don't believe the scare stories from your progress mates.

I don't see a Labour majority after May - I hope to be proved wrong but think another hung parliament is entirely possible.