The Labour Conference
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't believe anyone who remains in the labour party with the stated aim of 'reclaiming' it is in any position to tell other people they're often wrong.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
I'm not sure there is any alternative - at the electoral level - at least at this stage. If there was a significant break away from the unions that would be different. You lot offer nothing but "you're all shit".
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you may deny that but you're not refuting it.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Who do you vote for then? Not Labour, not Conservative, certainly not Lib Dem... so, who do you vote for?
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Conference reacts to Ed Balls saying he will extend the cap on child benefit even longer than the Tories already are
I saw that lady on the news, 'jaw dropped' exactly describes it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
lots of stuff
all of it more useful than your support of the flaccid labour party
So then it's better to vote labour in and get the tories out.
Admittedly not by much.
But saying taht labour will repeal nothing is OTT imo.
No point askinghim, he's not even a real doctor.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
That's between me and the ballot box old chap.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
You can't possibly know that.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
come the GE my vote will be going to the crudely drawn cock and balls party (spunking). I've held my nose in a local and gone for sawford jnr once because he's old school left labour like his old man was when he was still in politics (possibly dead, I haven't checked). 8 quid an hour by 2020, continued austerity policies except maybe make noises about bedroom tax but we all know that would be reneged upon. Waste of anyones time, new boss same as etc
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
It was a rhetorical question.
if only not voting meant something
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It does.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Will you still be voting Labour even after the conference has seen no repudiation of austerity measures, lengthening the child benefit cap and hoofing disabled people out of their chairs to make way for the more important people? A min wage pledge that is as meaningless now as it would be in 2020 if they had any intention of following through on it?
Tory government it is then! See you in 2020 for more of the same self defeating nonsense! 
Chin Chin!
Chin Chin!
Yes.
Because the Tories will be much worse.
I fully agree it's hobson's choice and the lesser of two evils etc. But I would rather live with that vote than face another five years of this government. In fact the likelihood will be a tory majority which will be a thousand times worse.
I think it quite likley Labour will repeal the BT actually. Whether they will honour everything they pledge (whatever that may be) I don't know, but this I think so. The tories wont' repeal it. I'd much rather deal with Reeves than the inhuman cunt that is IDS. I'm well aware of what she has said in the past (some of which has been taken out of context tbf), and she doesn't even compare to the mixture of malevolence hatred and incompetence that is IDS.
savoloysam
Pigman's pigman's ha ha charade you are..
I believe this has been pounded into you ad infinitum but don't you see that voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No, its that there is no choice - there is no way for posters vote to practically effect the outcome of their local votes. It's not about lesser evils ffs.; Your vote in your seat counts for fuck all. So this clown admonishing people in safe seats for not voting labour is point missing stupidity. Whether they vote labour or not changes nothing. The result is already decided. You have no role in the outcome no matter what you do.
And the better choice is?
savoloysam
Pigman's pigman's ha ha charade you are..
Not voting for evil.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What's a safe seat wells? Do you know?
Which is...?
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Remember who started the attack on benefits. Remember who started the attack on Civil Service pay. Remember whose lack of effective regulation of the banks, created this shit-storm in the first place. Remember who marched into the lobby alongside the Conservatives, to vote to maintain an overall welfare cap.
coley
Well-Known Member
You forgot Iraq and Afghanistan
Vote monster raving Loony party, you know it makes sense
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I return to my original question:
'Who is there to vote for?'.
There is a second question:
Why does the grass-roots Labour movement, which is still Labour, tolerate the behaviour of the apparatchiks in Westminster? Also, why do the trades unions, who are financing the Labour party, and whose members were severely disadvantaged by the last Labour government's pay policy regarding the Civil Service, still affiliated, and still funding them?
I suppose the real question is: When is the left wing of politics going to grow a pair, and demand a return to socialist values?
I've seen a few governments come and go. Churchill was PM when I was born. In general, those at the bottom of the heap got a bit of a leg up when Labour were in power, and those a bit further up the ladder got a boost when the Conservatives were in. Now, it matters not who is in, those below oligarch level are increasingly disadvantaged.
The future does not look at all good, unless, either Labour regains its socialist ethos, or, a new socialist party is formed.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
You forgot Iraq and Afghanistan
Vote monster raving Loony party, you know it makes sense
I don't see Iraq and Afghanistan as being inherently wrong, what was wrong was the failure, to accurately predict, what would happen when the fighting was over (yes, I know it is still ongoing).
The world is better place without Hussein, or should be. With hindsight, it might have been better to leave him in place.
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