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The Green Party has some serious questions to answer

trashpony said:
I don't think you can blame anonymous trolls for Challenor's brony proclivities.

Either she is a vulnerable young person who wasn't aware of the rules, in which case why on earth did the Greens push her forward into leadership roles, or she knows exactly what she was doing, in which case she's unsuitable for public office. Either way, she's not fit to be a candidate.

TBH I blame the Greens much more than her. She's clearly a very damaged young person but she's not that bright, has mental health issues and has only been propelled through the ranks because she's trans. That's not at all fair on her
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Maybe the greens are short of young hacks
 
Go on then, I'll ask: how does terfblocker work? Does it mean that subscribers automatically block the people reported as terfs (as opposed to being just a list of people you might yourself block)?
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Am I allowed to still like Caroline? I'm none the wiser. :D
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I used to like the old uncomplicated days when I could dislike the green party for making cuts in local government. :cool:

So, now that CL is a terf, does that mean the party as a whole has also gone from being trans inclusive to a bunch of terfs overnight? I usually think I don't understand the modern world of twitterywhatsapp type things, but I've actually got a handle on this: it's like 1930s Kremlinology. :thumbs:
 
trashpony said:
I don't think you can blame anonymous trolls for Challenor's brony proclivities.

Either she is a vulnerable young person who wasn't aware of the rules, in which case why on earth did the Greens push her forward into leadership roles, or she knows exactly what she was doing, in which case she's unsuitable for public office. Either way, she's not fit to be a candidate.

TBH I blame the Greens much more than her. She's clearly a very damaged young person but she's not that bright, has mental health issues and has only been propelled through the ranks because she's trans. That's not at all fair on her
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I had to google 'Brony'.

Just to be clear, I'm not blaming anyone for whatever sexual kinks AC or any other consenting adult gets up to with other consenting adults. I really don't care, it's not a crime, its someone's private sexual life, it doesn't make someone less suitable for public office.

My point was that weepiper posted a tweet thread that implies that because AC is into some kinky/weird stuff, then she must have been involved in her dads crimes (just for clarity I'm not denying it was wrong for her to put the fake name on the leaflet that was wrong). And that's not just bigoted shite and cynical muck raking, it's bigoted shite and cynical muck raking directed at someone who as you say is "clearly a damaged young person...not that bright (who) has mental health issues".

Maybe she was propelled through the ranks because she was a trans woman. Maybe she was propelled through the ranks because the Greens aren't exactly saturated with talented young activists. But what's the difference between you saying "she's only been propelled through the ranks because she's trans" and some UKIP nobhead saying "she's only in the job for diversity quotas" about a cis woman or whatever the correct term is?
 
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Wilf said:
So, now that CL is a terf, does that mean the party as a whole has also gone from being trans inclusive to a bunch of terfs overnight? I usually think I don't understand the modern world of twitterywhatsapp type things, but I've actually got a handle on this: it's like 1930s Kremlinology. :thumbs:
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Best post in weeks. Funny and scathing, with Soviet references. :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
 
SpackleFrog said:
I had to google 'Brony'.

Just to be clear, I'm not blaming anyone for whatever sexual kinks AC or any other consenting adult gets up to with other consenting adults. I really don't care, it's not a crime, its someone's private sexual life, it doesn't make someone less suitable for public office.

My point was that weepiper posted a tweet thread that implies that because AC is into some kinky/weird stuff, then she must have been involved in her dads crimes (just for clarity I'm not denying it was wrong for her to put the fake name on the leaflet that was wrong). And that's not just bigoted shite and cynical muck raking, it's bigoted shite and cynical muck raking directed at someone who as you say is "clearly a damaged young person...not that bright (who) has mental health issues".

Maybe she was propelled through the ranks because she was a trans woman. Maybe she was propelled through the ranks because the Greens aren't exactly saturated with talented young activists. But what's the difference between you saying "she's only been propelled through the ranks because she's trans" and some UKIP nobhead saying "she's only in the job for diversity quotas" about a cis woman or whatever the correct term is?
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Well, personally I think that someone's private sex life being based around an adult baby fetish and other fetishes based on infantilised fantasy stuff like bronies (based on a toy marketed heavily to primary school aged girls) means that they ARE unsuitable for public office, certainly for public office in which they are pushing for women and girls' sex based protections to be removed. Apparently that's an unfashionable thing to say but I don't really give a fuck. Aimee Challenor shouldn't be advising policy if that's what she gets off on. She's not a suitable person.
 
Wilf said:
Go on then, I'll ask: how does terfblocker work? Does it mean that subscribers automatically block the people reported as terfs (as opposed to being just a list of people you might yourself block)?
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Yes. If you subscribe to it then it automatically blocks all 10,000 odd people so you'll never see any of their tweets.
 
SpackleFrog said:
No she's a fucking scab we're not allowed to like *anyone* in the Green Party
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Still one of the four parties I'd potentially vote for. If we don't look after the environment, we're all fucked, but particularly poorer people. Also Caroline is against arms sales to some horrific regimes. So, yeah, I'm not going to automatically disqualify them when it comes to voting.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Still one of the four parties I'd potentially vote for. If we don't look after the environment, we're all fucked, but particularly poorer people. Also Caroline is against arms sales to some horrific regimes. So, yeah, I'm not going to automatically disqualify them when it comes to voting.
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What are the other three?
 
weepiper said:
Well, personally I think that someone's private sex life being based around an adult baby fetish and other fetishes based on infantilised fantasy stuff like bronies (based on a toy marketed heavily to primary school aged girls) means that they ARE unsuitable for public office, certainly for public office in which they are pushing for women and girls' sex based protections to be removed. Apparently that's an unfashionable thing to say but I don't really give a fuck. Aimee Challenor shouldn't be advising policy if that's what she gets off on. She's not a suitable person.
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it's a pity we can only speculate about the sex lives of other politicians, some of whom are likely to enjoy pastimes which make this baby business look positively pedestrian
 
weepiper said:
Well, personally I think that someone's private sex life being based around an adult baby fetish and other fetishes based on infantilised fantasy stuff like bronies (based on a toy marketed heavily to primary school aged girls) means that they ARE unsuitable for public office, certainly for public office in which they are pushing for women and girls' sex based protections to be removed. Apparently that's an unfashionable thing to say but I don't really give a fuck. Aimee Challenor shouldn't be advising policy if that's what she gets off on. She's not a suitable person.
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Is there evidence that AC gets off on adult baby fetishism, or is it just ('just') bronyism?*

Whatever we think of her, I think it's important we don't conflate her behaviour with her father's, or hold her responsible for his activities.

ETA: having now read back it appears there is. The general point about not conflating her actions with her father's still stands, though it now looks like she's involved in enough dodgy shit of her own...

* auto corrected to cronyism...
 
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SpackleFrog said:
My point was that weepiper posted a tweet thread that implies that because AC is into some kinky/weird stuff, then she must have been involved in her dads crimes (just for clarity I'm not denying it was wrong for her to put the fake name on the leaflet that was wrong). And that's not just bigoted shite and cynical muck raking, it's bigoted shite and cynical muck raking directed at someone who as you say is "clearly a damaged young person...not that bright (who) has mental health issues".
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It's not just *any old* 'kinky/weird stuff' though, is it? AC's nappy fetish as exposed in the tweets posted by WP is very reminiscent of that of DC, who would wear both nappies and a girl's dress while raping his victim.

I don't see why someone who shares the same kinks as the perpetrator, who lived in the same house as him while he was abusing his victim, who clearly lied about her knowledge of the crime to her party and who was a fellow traveller in pushing an agenda that would, if it came to fruition, potentially remove safeguards and allow potential abusers easier access to vulnerable people shouldn't come under some degree of scrutiny. I've no doubt that AC is a victim herself and, as you say, damaged by her background but to simply ask questions about a very grim subject isn't necessarily cynical muck raking, IMO.
 
bendeus said:
It's not just *any old* 'kinky/weird stuff' though, is it? AC's nappy fetish as exposed in the tweets posted by WP is very reminiscent of that of DC, who would wear both nappies and a girl's dress while raping his victim.

I don't see why someone who shares the same kinks as the perpetrator, who lived in the same house as him while he was abusing his victim, who clearly lied about her knowledge of the crime to her party and who was a fellow traveller in pushing an agenda that would, if it came to fruition, potentially remove safeguards and allow potential abusers easier access to vulnerable people shouldn't come under some degree of scrutiny. I've no doubt that AC is a victim herself and, as you say, damaged by her background but to simply ask questions about a very grim subject isn't necessarily cynical muck raking, IMO.
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Jesus, I hadn't realised just how depraved the abuse was. Any party that even debates whether they want to be associated with that is fucked, yeah there are some questions of how knowledgeable etc Aimee was but some times you have to draw the line for the sake of self-preservation.
 
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