The Final Sopranos on E4 (no spoliers)
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belboid
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naah, I dont buy it, well researched tho it is. Life goes on, there is always paranoia about who might be about to do what, Tony will be shot one day, in all likelihood, but that day could come anytime at all. What the linked article omits is any reference to Meadow, which seems to be a quite significant omission.Alex B said:
I'm sure there was a reference or two to Meadow, about her being on the outside looking in.belboid said:
The references to the Sollozzo scene in The Godfather are undeniable. I don't think the point of the scene is that Tony is definitely dead, it is certainly meant to be ambiguous. If we actually saw Tony get killed in the last few seconds it would be a much less memorable ending.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Two references to Meadow in it, one a comment from Tony, about Tony, the other that one about her being on the outside - which sounds like a perfect rationalisation for not being able to say anything else about her! Not good enough for me.
The Sollozzo scene does indeed sound like an undeniably deliberate reference, but it could also just be playing with us. There was a death after all - of the series, not Big T
The Sollozzo scene does indeed sound like an undeniably deliberate reference, but it could also just be playing with us. There was a death after all - of the series, not Big T
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I think it ended in a fantastic way. The final scene was amazing - although I actually didn't think it was anywhere near the best overall episode of the season.
It doesn't really spell it out clearly at the end and there is very much a case to be made that Tony died OR that things just go on as usual, underlined by the circularity of the characters development. There definitely isn't a correct answer, although there is a lot of hints to suggest that this was the end for Tony, without it definitively saying it was.
I'm just sad its over now - I really loved the sopranos, what a show it was.
I think it ended in a fantastic way. The final scene was amazing - although I actually didn't think it was anywhere near the best overall episode of the season.
It doesn't really spell it out clearly at the end and there is very much a case to be made that Tony died OR that things just go on as usual, underlined by the circularity of the characters development. There definitely isn't a correct answer, although there is a lot of hints to suggest that this was the end for Tony, without it definitively saying it was.
I'm just sad its over now - I really loved the sopranos, what a show it was.
spartacus mills
let's wee on each other
David Chase on the ending: ""There are no esoteric clues in there. No `Da Vinci Code..'"
More:
http://tv.yahoo.com/show/218/news/urn:newsml:tv.ap.org:20071023:tv_sopranos_david_chase__ER:69581
More:
http://tv.yahoo.com/show/218/news/urn:newsml:tv.ap.org:20071023:tv_sopranos_david_chase__ER:69581
spartacus mills said:
I think he makes a very good point in that - i.e. about how the audience wanted Tony dead as a way of somehow alleviating their own (unconscious?) guilt for identifying with him, or enjoying his brutuality. That doesn't mean there aren't clues to suggest he died, as there clearly are. Again its inconclusive. Perhaps its a reference to the audience getting whacked - life goes on, but the show ends for us.
spartacus mills
let's wee on each other
CJohn said:
Yeah, I can see that.
spartacus mills
let's wee on each other
This is how the episode summary on the official HBO Sopranos website describes the final scene:
"Tony is the first to arrive at Holsten's for a family dinner. He sits in a booth and plays a song on the jukebox, watching the door. Carmela enters and joins him, asking about his meeting with Mink. He tells her Carlo's gonna testify and she takes the news with a sigh. AJ arrives next, complaining about the more mundane tasks of his job but quotes old advice from his father: "Try to remember the times that were good." Meanwhile, Meadow struggles to parallel park outside. Customers come and go - a shady looking guy who's been sitting at the counter enters the restroom. Finally parking the car, Meadow runs inside to join her family, just in time for dinner."
http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/episode/season6/episode86.shtml
"Tony is the first to arrive at Holsten's for a family dinner. He sits in a booth and plays a song on the jukebox, watching the door. Carmela enters and joins him, asking about his meeting with Mink. He tells her Carlo's gonna testify and she takes the news with a sigh. AJ arrives next, complaining about the more mundane tasks of his job but quotes old advice from his father: "Try to remember the times that were good." Meanwhile, Meadow struggles to parallel park outside. Customers come and go - a shady looking guy who's been sitting at the counter enters the restroom. Finally parking the car, Meadow runs inside to join her family, just in time for dinner."
http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/episode/season6/episode86.shtml
bouncer_the_dog
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So now we've seen the last episode is this a spoiler thread?
bouncer_the_dog
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Louloubelle said:
oooh... I hadn't thought of it that way
tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
bouncer_the_dog said:oooh... I hadn't thought of it that way
yeah, that's the bit that makes me think he died. The more I think about it the more I think he got whacked. Maybe Paulie or somebody sold him out the same way that Phil got sold out by his lieutenant.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Apparently when talking about this ending David Chase said:
"When I was 23 I went to see Planet of the Apes with my wife. When it was over, I said, 'Wow...so they had a Statue of Liberty, too.'"
"When I was 23 I went to see Planet of the Apes with my wife. When it was over, I said, 'Wow...so they had a Statue of Liberty, too.'"
tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
SpookyFrank said:Apparently when talking about this ending David Chase said:
"When I was 23 I went to see Planet of the Apes with my wife. When it was over, I said, 'Wow...so they had a Statue of Liberty, too.'"
I've thought about it.
I still don't get it.
Reno
The In Kraut
Anybody who wants a "neat" ending can go on and think Tony died, but for me that would be be much too conventional an ending for The Sopranos. The series has always been about the banality of evil and the point is that it just goes on. There is no happy ending where the bad guy finally gets his comeuppance.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
in a way i think the ending 'says' that it just doesnt matter if Tony lived or died. He was a fucking bastard, and either he would continue to be so, or someone else would come in and take over. Makes no odds.
Whatever, Phils death was an absolute classic, magnificent Sopranos humour
Whatever, Phils death was an absolute classic, magnificent Sopranos humour
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