ATOMIC SUPLEX
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What what? Was episode 10 the last one?
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ATOMIC SUPLEX
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Oh hooray. I see there is one more series coming.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Not so much terraform, most of the protomolecule creators planets support life and humans already, but to use it as a key to open pandoras box up and play with the toys. They've spotted a battleship being constructed in orbit and said yippee
The rogue Martians are likely to be quiet next season going by the books but I'm expecting them to pop up in the last episode with here's what we've been doing.
mojo pixy
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I always find it a little jarring when one of the characters says something about the world - two examples I found in one episode (S2 E8):
He's always had a unique way of seeing the world (Camina Drummer, on Fred Johnson)
The protomolecule is out in the world now, we just have to accept that and figure out how to deal with it (Fred Johnson to Holden and Naomi Nagata)
It jars more when a belter says it, and I don't know if the same thing happens in the books, but these are just two examples of half a dozen I recall through the series. I feel the writers missed a trick there because obviously it's not ''the world'', it's a bunch of worlds, way-stations and free-flying spacecraft. Talking about ''the world'' just sounds wrong.
It's a minor quibble in an otherwise excellently-written show, and it bothers me because it's so well-written and I can't believe they missed it
He's always had a unique way of seeing the world (Camina Drummer, on Fred Johnson)
The protomolecule is out in the world now, we just have to accept that and figure out how to deal with it (Fred Johnson to Holden and Naomi Nagata)
It jars more when a belter says it, and I don't know if the same thing happens in the books, but these are just two examples of half a dozen I recall through the series. I feel the writers missed a trick there because obviously it's not ''the world'', it's a bunch of worlds, way-stations and free-flying spacecraft. Talking about ''the world'' just sounds wrong.
It's a minor quibble in an otherwise excellently-written show, and it bothers me because it's so well-written and I can't believe they missed it
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ATOMIC SUPLEX
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I would argue that it's the same as various other language overhangs that should be obsolete such as . . .I always find it a little jarring when one of the characters says something about the world - two examples I found in one episode (S2 E8):
He's always had a unique way of seeing the world (Camina Drummer, on Fred Johnson)
The protomolecule is out in the world now, we just have to accept that and figure out how to deal with it (Fred Johnson to Holden and Naomi Nagata)
It jars more when a belter says it, and I don't know if the same thing happens in the books, but these are just two examples of half a dozen I recall through the series. I feel the writers missed a trick there because obviously it's not ''the world'', it's a bunch of worlds, way-stations and free-flying spacecraft. Talking about ''the world'' from just sounds wrong.
It's a minor quibble in an otherwise excellently-written show, and it bothers because it's so well-written and I can't believe they missed it
Hang up the phone
Tune in
Hold your horses
Nothing to write home about
etc etc
mojo pixy
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Yeah, OK .. but from belters who never had 'a world' it sounds especially weird .. plus it's not real life, it's a scripted show with an entire Creole that gets used throughout.
Anyway. I treat them like the scene where a character takes a deep breath in before removing his visor, in hard vacuum .. and his lungs don't explode out through his mouth. Just an oopsy, they're bound to happen in such a huge body of work.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
it has a specific and a general meaning. A world, mars, earth. The world of jazz music, worlds without end. World of leather.
mojo pixy
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In every case there's a better, more context-appropriate alternative. Which a real person might not use, but script-writers really should have considered. Like,
He's always had a unique way of seeing things or The protomolecule is out there / out of our hands / out of our control / everybody's problem etc now.
Like I say, a minor quibble .. like when Miller forces open the airlock on Eros and leaves the outer door open too, but the papers and random crap lying about don't fly out into space (bearing in mind how carefully airlock moments are constructed in other scenes)
Oopsies, forgivable but oopsies nonetheless. I think I'm just immersed in the Expanse-ness, and hearing about ''the world'' (especially from a belter) breaks into that for me.
He's always had a unique way of seeing things or The protomolecule is out there / out of our hands / out of our control / everybody's problem etc now.
Like I say, a minor quibble .. like when Miller forces open the airlock on Eros and leaves the outer door open too, but the papers and random crap lying about don't fly out into space (bearing in mind how carefully airlock moments are constructed in other scenes)
Oopsies, forgivable but oopsies nonetheless. I think I'm just immersed in the Expanse-ness, and hearing about ''the world'' (especially from a belter) breaks into that for me.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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Yes. In the same way that I've never been in a world where I have had to hold my horses or cover my powder. It's language. Probably intentional. Though the breathing thing (had I seen it) might have pissed me off somewhat. I got fucked off with super 8 because they mentioned the alien artefact looked like Rubik's cube, at least a year before they had even come up with the name, let alone it entering popular culture.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
People still say "crossing the Rubicon" or "Burning the midnight oil" or "In the nick of time" or "Time to face the music" centuries after they lost context, I can forgive the world thing.
Language is both mutable and very stubborn at times.
Language is both mutable and very stubborn at times.
mojo pixy
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I think I can honestly say I've not used any of these expressions, maybe ever .. though I obviously understand what they mean. Possibly face the music, but my world actually has music so that doesn't seem anachronistic. I'm sure I do use tons of anachronisms without thinking, but (sadly) my life isn't scripted and edited by a team of people
Here's the scene with the breathing, most of the YT commenters seem to think he exhales before opening the visor, but to me it's pretty clear be prepares by breathing in and holding the breath, opens the visor, then exhales as he shuts it. I almost yelled at the screen first time I saw it.
Anyway I love this show. Enough to be bothered by minutiae. 99% awesome writing, which is way, way better than usual.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
not that its relevant but one bit of viet nam US soldier slang was 'the world' being back home. What are you going to do when you're back in the world?
mojo pixy
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Then the devil took him up to a very high mountain and he showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence and he said to him, “All these I shall give to you if you will prostrate yourself and worship me.”
But Jesus said, "Fuck off, my dad made the entire universe and you're offering me one paltry rock orbiting a small, boring star?"
Obviously that's what Mark meant to write.
But Jesus said, "Fuck off, my dad made the entire universe and you're offering me one paltry rock orbiting a small, boring star?"
Obviously that's what Mark meant to write.
strung out
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Just binged all five seasons in the last three weeks. Utterly superb from start to finish. How long do we have to wait for the last season now?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
End of this year at the very earliest.
Just ran out of episodes! It's going to be a long wait.
Reno
The In Kraut
After giving up on it the first time a few episodes into season one, I wanted something long to immerse myself in and I gave it a second go. Season one suffers from following three different plot lines which don't connect till the end and I wasn't a fan of the whole sub-Blade Runner private eye shtick. I'm now half way through season 3 and the show improves considerably. I love the world building and appreciate that it tries to be reasonably accurate when it comes to the science. I still don't find the four central characters (James, Naomi, Amos & Alex) or the actors who play them very compelling, Steven Strait (James) especially is too much of a bland pretty boy for me. But that's compensated for by great supporting characters, I especially enjoy when ever Chrisjen rips someone a new one.
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ATOMIC SUPLEX
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I agree on all points. Btw I also did exactly same thing re: watching three EPs and ditching it, then later getting my teeth stuck in when I had a hole to fill.
BigTom
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I really like Amos. A broken man who knows he is broken, like he's a psychopath but he knows that's not a good thing, but he also can't escape it. Also he has all the best lines
I agree about James / Steven Strait though. Alex and Naomi I think are decently acted, though Dominique (Naomi) does kind of veer in and out of it at times.
The secondary characters are great, Chrisjen and the Tycho station guy whose name (both character and actor) I'm forgetting, he was also great in the Wire and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia so I'm happy to see him in anything.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I really like Amos. A broken man who knows he is broken, like he's a psychopath but he knows that's not a good thing, but he also can't escape it. Also he has all the best lines
I agree about James / Steven Strait though. Alex and Naomi I think are decently acted, though Dominique (Naomi) does kind of veer in and out of it at times.
The secondary characters are great, Chrisjen and the Tycho station guy whose name (both character and actor) I'm forgetting, he was also great in the Wire and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia so I'm happy to see him in anything.
At the danger of saying the book was better (in this case I'm not sure it was), I do think this part of Amos is done better there. My partner who hasn't read the books thought he was really nice. In the books he really knows he's a psychopath with no moral compass and so clings to the captain. They do catch it to an extent, he's just a bit cuddley.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
The lead in US series is nearly always absolutely the worst and dullest character and/or actor - e.g. Lost which had much stronger supporting characters and plots throughout (mostly)
The Expanse is decent enough, conversely I found the science and plot got noticeably more dramatic and generic once they hit S3 and taken over by Amazon, theres a noticeable change in all those people standing around in the bridge under fire.
Still a decent series though and the effects are great
Reno
The In Kraut
I haven't read the books, but that's how I feel about Amos. He should be more of a psycho but the actor lacks edge and he has these googly eyes which do make him look cuddly rather than unpredictable. I don't mind Alex and Naomi but I also don't find them very memorable. I really liked Drummer and read she becomes a regular in season 4. One thing I found puzzling is that the actress who played Juliette Mao was credited as a main cast member for the first two seasons, when she has about 10 minutes of screen time in the entire show.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Amos grew on me, he started out a bit one dimensional but they seem to have rounded his character out a bit as the series progressed.
Chrisjen's my favourite character, and I like Bobbie too.
Yes, this is how I felt. Chrisjen and Bobbie are both fantastic.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
The latter is Chad L Coleman and he plays Fred Johnson. He was also in The Walking Dead.
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