gosub
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Nah, we are getting close to HMG refusing to disclose what if any legal adivce they have had regards corporate manslaughter
The Dominic Cummings file
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The squirming Hancock is due on any moment now.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Cummings said Hancock lied consistently to cabinet and public. He doesn't say which ones though? (Apart from whenever he opens his mouth of course).
I'd imagine Hancock will say something along the lines of "I'm not going to grace the rumours being spread by that man with a replay." Followed by "I've already answered that question and I'm now off to save more lives".
I'd imagine Hancock will say something along the lines of "I'm not going to grace the rumours being spread by that man with a replay." Followed by "I've already answered that question and I'm now off to save more lives".
ruffneck23
front left
gosub
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Interesting timing in this yesterday : Hillsborough trial: Men acquitted as judge rules no case to answer
Mr Denton, Mr Foster and Mr Metcalf were accused of trying to minimise the blame placed on South Yorkshire Police in the aftermath of the disaster by altering statements.
However, the judge said the statements had been prepared for the public inquiry chaired by Lord Taylor in 1990.
He said this was not a statutory inquiry and therefore not considered "a court of law", so it was not a "course of public justice" which could be perverted.
Prosecutor Sarah Whitehouse QC said they would not seek leave to appeal against the judge's decision.
Mr Denton, Mr Foster and Mr Metcalf were accused of trying to minimise the blame placed on South Yorkshire Police in the aftermath of the disaster by altering statements.
However, the judge said the statements had been prepared for the public inquiry chaired by Lord Taylor in 1990.
He said this was not a statutory inquiry and therefore not considered "a court of law", so it was not a "course of public justice" which could be perverted.
Prosecutor Sarah Whitehouse QC said they would not seek leave to appeal against the judge's decision.
gosub
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Would be more than annoying if it were to become a habit
gosub
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TBF. Number of radioactive spider related incidents under this administration. Nil.
Yossarian
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I think Spider-Mans would be correct if Spider-Man is being treated as a proper noun, not a type of man.
Yossarian
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Nomatter what evil stuff he does someone always crops up and defends him
This is definitely not a hill I am ready to die on.
maomao
普費斯
It can be both. It's a proper noun with a literal root. Anyway it was settled definitively in the spiderverse where there are multiple Spider-Men and that's what they call themselves.
ETA: also 'spider-persons' as not all of them are male.
elbows
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Funny you should mention that. First a little background:
There were only a few days in March where they explicitly talked about herd immunity, in the contect of getting it all out of the way with a single wave. As part of explaining the original plan A, and then that plan went down badly and was incompatible with reality so they pulled the plug on it within days. And part of pulling the plug involved publicly denying that herd immunity was ever part of the plan. Hancock was one of the first to be sent out to deliver that message.
The next stage was messy because plan B was botched together over the next week+. And they tried to make it sound like it wasnt a giant u-turn, so aspects of the original language and explanations were retained and then only moved away from in stages. Due to the previous shitstorm its unlikely they used the term herd immunity at that stage, but they may still have spoken about immunity more vaguely, and the need to avoid a winter wave.
Its also certainly true that 'turning measures on and off repeatedly' was on their mind for plan B, because the likes of Imperial College did subsequently explore that possibility when looking at alternative options, talking about having trigger points for reactivating measures as infections rose, and a long cycle of mini-waves. This wasnt really considered desirable for all sorts of reasons including economic ones, so over time we ended up with all the local restrictions and pinning hopes on mass testing etc etc.
Anyway the reason I am explaining this now is to do with the fact that I think something has not really been drawn attention to when it comes to the 'plan B whiteboard photo' that Cummings tweeted the other day.
So two of the curves in that graph are to do with the original thinking - the extremely high peak wave if nothing was done, and the somewhat 'pushed down and stretched out' peak that they were aiming for with original herd immunity plan. And then there is the original possible plan B, the wiggly line where we end up in a cycle of mini waves that dont exceed NHS etc capacity.
But whats this wording attached to the plan B wiggly line? Oh look, it says 'Roughly same number infected but no collapse'. Well roughly same number infected implies same expectations of herd immunity! So attempts to attach a desire for herd immunity as the endgame were not just a feature of plan A, but also at least this initial stab at plan B!
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gosub
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As a member of the masses I'm certainly feeling tested ( not in a tonsil tickling way)
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Well, sadly, Hancock got away with very little squirming, bating away difficult questions with the predictable mentions of the vaccination success story.
ska invita
back on the other side
totally - the majority of voters in fact
elbows
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It did but it was very slow in all sorts of different senses, and could not meet demand by September when infection levels hit a dangerous tipping point.
In my book the biggest issue ultimately with the 'avoid second wave via testing' was something I kept telling a couple of people on this forum who pinned all their hopes on test & trace and thought we could avoid future lockdowns as a result. Testing systems only help manage the overall pandemic if authorities are prepared to act on the suveillance data that testing provides! ie they do not offer everything needed to keep the virus under control on their own, they tell you when you need to act more strongly, impose lockdowns, circuit breakers etc. We had with the Johnson government a stubborn load of shit that was not prepared to act in September when the results of testing proved that the resurgence was well under way and that urgent action was required. For all its faults and limitations the test system did give us a better view of the state of infections, but the opportunity to act on that was utterly squandered.
maomao
普費斯
Still a plurality of voters rather than a majority but enough that they're in no danger.
gosub
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He's up before the Joint Committee next month, Hunt said this morning that the accusations were serious but as yet unproven.... which means asking Baron Sedwill
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
It's 127,750 people that have died, not 150,000, as of this morning and as reported by the BBC.
maomao
普費斯
That's the (conveniently lower) 'within 28 days of a positive covid test' figure. The ONS estimate is over 150,000.
elbows
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Yes and by repeating the lower number daily, they have successfully implanted the much lower figure into many peoples minds
I will check the latest ONS number shortly and will shout about it.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The latest ONS number I have is 153,093 which covers deaths by date of death up to mid May.
The actual number will be higher still, since death certificates are also expected to miss some deaths, and thats why analysis of excess mortality forms part of how the mainstream experts on such subjects try to analyse total burden in pandemics and epidemics.
The actual number will be higher still, since death certificates are also expected to miss some deaths, and thats why analysis of excess mortality forms part of how the mainstream experts on such subjects try to analyse total burden in pandemics and epidemics.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The 127,748 figure is the total of daily reported deaths after testing positive, the 152,068 figure is the number reported with covid on their death certificates, hence you see both figures getting quoted.
Excess deaths have been lower than both those figures, the last UK figure I saw reported was about 120k, I can only find the recent recent figures for England & Wales, so Scotland & NI would increase that.
Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics
Provisional counts of the number of deaths registered in England and Wales, including deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, by age, sex and region.
www.ons.gov.uk
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Oh yeah, then where did that 33 billion quid go eh? Up the nostrils of legions of carpetbagging contractors and spiv consultants? Don't be daft
one would certainly hope so
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not to mention the many thousands of people who will go through something awful because they weren't able to get eg early cancer diagnoses
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