The Brexit process

[Pickman's model]

I'm not sure how to interpret you. Are you asking if I'm a High Court judge? Or are you surprised because you didn't have me down as the sort who would comment on the appearance of a senior lawyer?

He's just a twat passing through

 

[bimble]

He's just a twat passing through

Think they might have meant Raheem Kassam, who I suspect may right now be regretting his decision to stand down from the ukip leadership competition.

 

[Pickman's model]

Think they might have meant Raheem Kassam, who I suspect may right now be regretting his decision to stand down from the ukip leadership competition.

Another twat passing through

 

[gosub]

We shouldn't have unelected Judges decide how Brexit is done! Thats what May's govt is for....

Referendum's are a very blunt instrument. Fuck Godwin's law - that is exactly the way Hitler carried on, the executive overriding the nuances of democratic processes using referendums.

There are two very disturbing schools of thought at the moment; that one and the other that would disregard the plebicite. Interesting tightrope walk ahead.

 

[8den]

Referendum's are a very blunt instrument. Fuck Godwin's law - that is exactly the way Hitler carried on, the executive overriding the nuances of democratic processes using referendums.

There are two very disturbing schools of thought at the moment; that one and the other that would disregard the plebicite. Interesting tightrope walk ahead.

Particularly because immediately after the referendum it became clear that the side proposing the referendum couldn't even decide what exactly they wanted or expected to get.

 

[Duncan2]

Another twat passing through

I suppose its too much to hope that Cameron will shoot himself?

 

[andysays]

Referendum's are a very blunt instrument. Fuck Godwin's law - that is exactly the way Hitler carried on, the executive overriding the nuances of democratic processes using referendums.

There are two very disturbing schools of thought at the moment; that one and the other that would disregard the plebicite. Interesting tightrope walk ahead.

Particularly because immediately after the referendum it became clear that the side proposing the referendum couldn't even decide what exactly they wanted or expected to get.

Both of you seem to have forgotten, in your apparent wish to dismiss the result of the ref and presumably the opinions of all those who voted to Leave, that it was the then Prime Minister David Cameron, with the support of an Act of Parliament, who attempted to override the nuances of democratic processes by proposing a referendum.

Unfortunately for him, he failed...

 

[Raheem]

Unfortunately for him, he failed...

He definitely succeeded.

 

[gosub]

Both of you seem to have forgotten, in your apparent wish to dismiss the result of the ref and presumably the opinions of all those who voted to Leave, that it was the then Prime Minister David Cameron, with the support of an Act of Parliament, who attempted to override the nuances of democratic processes by proposing a referendum.

Unfortunately for him, he failed...

I have no wish to dismiss the result of the referendum, as I tried to say in post you quoted. They are equally dangerous and disturbing.

 

[J Ed]

The Mail have completely lost it today.



Yup apparently being a gay former olympian means you're biased against Brexit. I'm looking forward to the next Mail rant about "Junkie benefit scroungers, so called Olympians, get round the world trips at the taxpayers expense and get free gold for running in a field!"

Is the Olympic fencing supposed to make the homosexuality even more of a bad thing or something?

 

[DotCommunist]

Is the Olympic fencing supposed to make the homosexuality even more of a bad thing or something?

besmirching the honour of the ancient olympiad tradition by having gay sex. Which totally never happened in ancient greece

 

[redsquirrel]

Amazing to see those with avowedly progressive politics holding this view. Would you always support the right of Parliamentary sovereignty over the people?

But our democracy is nothing so crude as giving power to the people, we elect our representative precisely so they can hold back the baying mob.

Stifling all experts just for being experts, intimidating even the Bank of England governor, Mark Carney, is a bullying demagoguery that paralyses many who should speak out. A non-binding referendum, voted on amid a thicket of utterly cynical lies and promises, cannot be a tombstone block to the judgment of MPs on this vital matter of national interest. It’s not anti-democratic to try to stop what so many other countries see as an incomprehensible act of economic suicide.

I mean some of these people even want to criticise an unelected technocrat who's job it is to implement the policies that have done so much damage!

 

[Pickman's model]

I suppose its too much to hope that Cameron will shoot himself?

He'd miss

 

[bimble]

I mean some of these people even want to criticise an unelected technocrat who's job it is to implement the policies that have done so much damage!

Theresa May isn't somebody like that though, she's the anointed one who can be trusted to singlehandedly put the Will Of The People into action.

 

[pocketscience]

There was zero chance of this happening - the UK already had a semi-detached membership and there was no political will to change that.But strictly speaking this was a 'no change' position simply because if remain had won, there would have been nothing to do to fulfill the will of the referendum. Absolutely nothing.

For sure there was no will to change that In UK politics. The UK had the privilege to be able to gloat about it's monetary independence from the side in its semi-detached position, but that constellation was coming under a growing attack from the Eu after the onset of the Euro/ Greece crisis. Euroland and the Euro accession countries had already agreed to press on with federalisation without the UK at the table. A remain vote would have handed the Eu a last opportunity to force the UK to make a choice - join the federal union or be perpetually sidelined. Making no choice (i.e 'no change') is choosing being perpetually sidelined!

I want the EU to change radically -

The Eu will change radically, over time, but the point is the UK would never have had a say in how.

the argument for doing that would not have been closed down by a narrow remain victory. If anything, a narrow victory would have opened it up - the EU isn't good enough, it needs to be changed, and this is how we propose to do it...

You're in unicorn territory now.
Why on earth do you think anyone in the Eu would want to listen to the UKs recommendations for change, when they've already got their sleeves rolled up and getting on with implementing a federal union - one that the UK has no interest in.
In fact we were already there in 2012 and got told to fuck off.
I think you've completely underestimated how much the UK 'semi-detached status pisses-off the average die-hard European today. The only Europeans that do respect it are mobilising anti Eu populist parties in their own counties a la UKIP.

I may have asked you this up-thread already: Would you be willing for the UK to dump sterling and adopt the Euro if it meant we could stay in the Eu?
How much of a European are you prepared to be?
All in it a little bit together?

 

[editor]

Probably been posted but here you go:

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Probably been posted but here you go:

Yeah we've already had the privileged twat tell us proles how stupid we all are.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Is the Olympic fencing supposed to make the homosexuality even more of a bad thing or something?

Quite a lot of thrusting while dressed as a spermatazoon, maybe? I got nothin' really

 

[ferrelhadley]

Lol the absolute bitter seethe from the Brexit clowns over what will be a formality has been a pure joy.

I hope they dont murder someone else as the right wing press stirs up their hatred. The Lexiters mates are pretty nasty.

 

[DotCommunist]

Lol the absolute bitter seethe from the Brexit clowns over what will be a formality has been a pure joy.

I hope they dont murder someone else as the right wing press stirs up their hatred. The Lexiters mates are pretty nasty.

you were laughing at 'lefto elites' gettin it wrong on here when the result came in and only swung otherwise when you saw an opportunity to have a mock. Very revealing slip that was. Quite funny really, how quickly you scrabbled back to this position you hold now. Almost as if you couldn't really give a shit.

 

[ferrelhadley]

you were laughing at 'lefto elites' gettin it wrong on here when the result came in

That would have been some trick. I was no where near a computer for many days.

 

[stethoscope]

This 'reform the EU from within' is the stuff of fantasy. The superstate is not for turning.

Mind you I'm just a thicko or a racist or both it seems for voting left leave as a pro-worker, anti-capital socialist whom opposes all forms of neoliberalism. Still, the liberals will be always right.

(still battling with whether to post regularly on urban again tbh. Its not whether someone voted remain or leave in a referendum where both official camps fought on pro-capital/neoliberal grounds. Its the sneering that left the bad taste I can't get out of my mouth)

 

[DotCommunist]

That would have been some trick. I was no where near a computer for many days.

the initial result. You crowed about lefto elites getting stiffed by the vote and then when you saw how riven everyone here and elsewhere was you tacked into a different wind. They say the hansom cabs can turn on a sixpence, praps you can to. That terrible pragmatism.

 

[DotCommunist]

Its the sneering that left the bad taste I can't get out of my mouth

well it exposed quite neatly the divide between liberals and socialists didn't it. Liberals are on the left when it suits and rabidly otherwise if they think it would affect them personally

 

[ferrelhadley]

the initial result. You crowed about lefto elites getting stiffed by the vote and then when you saw how riven everyone here and elsewhere was you tacked into a different wind. They say the hansom cabs can turn on a sixpence, praps you can to. That terrible pragmatism.

What?
About the only comments I made were to slate the arrogant twats at the Glastonbury Leftfields (days later) and their Northern Racists tropes, that and I am sure I suggested that the result was down to a failure to engage with people properly by the political class.

But hey whatever you say I said, must be true.

Its Urban!

 

[DotCommunist]

wriggle wriggle

you thought you had a chance to droolingly give it large about politicos and then realised you'd misdjuged and so beep-beep back that truck up

Nothing is true and everything is real. It's feralhadleys head!

 

[Pickman's model]

What?
About the only comments I made were to slate the arrogant twats at the Glastonbury Leftfields (days later) and their Northern Racists tropes, that and I am sure I suggested that the result was down to a failure to engage with people properly by the political class.

But hey whatever you say I said, must be true.

Its Urban!

And conversely everything you say must be a lie

 

[inva]

(still battling with whether to post regularly on urban again tbh. Its not whether someone voted remain or leave in a referendum where both official camps fought on pro-capital/neoliberal grounds. Its the sneering that left the bad taste I can't get out of my mouth)

i hope you do. I liked your posts about the referendum

 

[Pickman's model]

i hope you do. I liked your posts about the referendum

That shows a nice spirit

 

[editor]

Yeah we've already had the privileged twat tell us proles how stupid we all are.

Which bit of his speech is factually inaccurate?