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The Brexit process

Combustible said:
Yes I know, I mean the Tories in parliament can vote to trigger article 50 without too many problems. Most Tory voters support doing so and it is not trying to overturn the election result. Labour on the other hand if they vote to trigger article 50 or abstain will piss off a lot of the remainers who vote Labour but want to overturn the result.
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you seem to be conflating 'elections', which see people voted into offices, with 'referendums' where a question is put to the people and no one is voted in.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
He can go back to Ampleforth and take that platinum spoon out of his mouth where it's been since he was a nipper and shove it right up his arse, tbf.

Public school, Chiswick dwelling media cunt that he is.
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I take it you don't like him then? :D Nevertheless I thought it was interesting.
 
Combustible said:
Yes I know, I mean the Tories in parliament can vote to trigger article 50 without too many problems. Most Tory voters support doing so and it is not trying to overturn the election result. Labour on the other hand if they vote to trigger article 50 or abstain will piss off a lot of the remainers who vote Labour but want to overturn the result.
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A politician's way out of that would be to vote according to the way your constituents voted in the referendum, saying that this is 'your job'. The effect would be a vote to trigger a50 because most constituencies had a leave majority. But yes, there is a constitutional contradiction here, basically. There is not necessarily any good answer to that.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
He can go back to Ampleforth and take that platinum spoon out of his mouth where it's been since he was a nipper and shove it right up his arse, tbf.

Public school, Chiswick dwelling media cunt that he is.
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just calling people thick again

He's right to excoriate the pols for not having a clue wtf they are doing but we can all throw that stone.
 
teqniq said:
I take it you don't like him then? :D Nevertheless I thought it was interesting.
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He's very firmly of the opinion that the proles are too stupid to be trusted with the vote.

He's also quite dim, and very much where he is cos his adoptive parents paid for his privilege.
 
Pickman's model said:
you seem to be conflating 'elections', which see people voted into offices, with 'referendums' where a question is put to the people and no one is voted in.
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I don't know what on earth you are on about, but quite simply there are a large chunk of remain voters who want parliament to prevent the UK leaving the EU, despite the vote for leave in the referendum. Not many of these people vote Tory, quite a few vote Labour. Therefore many of these people will be quite annoyed if the Labour party doesn't vote against triggering article 50. On the other hand if Labour do vote against triggering article 50 then it will annoy an awful lot of other Labour voters and will be seen quite correctly as an attempt to prevent the implementation of the referendum result.
 
Combustible said:
Yes I know, I mean the Tories in parliament can vote to trigger article 50 without too many problems. Most Tory voters support doing so and it is not trying to overturn the election result. Labour on the other hand if they vote to trigger article 50 or abstain will piss off a lot of the remainers who vote Labour but want to overturn the result.
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what the bloody fuck are you talking about?
 
i see the pound's apparently surged because of the judgement. although other places have it due to the bank of england doing nothing to interest rates.
 
Combustible said:
I don't know what on earth you are on about, but quite simply there are a large chunk of remain voters who want parliament to prevent the UK leaving the EU, despite the vote for leave in the referendum. Not many of these people vote Tory, quite a few vote Labour. Therefore many of these people will be quite annoyed if the Labour party doesn't vote against triggering article 50. On the other hand if Labour do vote against triggering article 50 then it will annoy an awful lot of other Labour voters and will be seen quite correctly as an attempt to prevent the implementation of the referendum result.
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in the last election, 11.33m people voted tory, 9.35m people voted labour. so either all the tories voted leave and some labour people did too, or people didn't vote leave or remain along 'tribal' party political lines. things are, i suggest, more complex than you make out.
 
The Mail have completely lost it today.



Yup apparently being a gay former olympian means you're biased against Brexit. I'm looking forward to the next Mail rant about "Junkie benefit scroungers, so called Olympians, get round the world trips at the taxpayers expense and get free gold for running in a field!"
 
8den said:
The Mail have completely lost it today.



Yup apparently being a gay former olympian means you're biased against Brexit. I'm looking forward to the next Mail rant about "Junkie benefit scroungers, so called Olympians, get round the world trips at the taxpayers expense and get free gold for running in a field!"
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yeh and then later on they removed the bit about the gay fencer, as bimble posted a couple of pages back The Brexit process
 
They should change it again to "High Court trio who blocked Brexit are ... well, just look at this one."
 


Everyone remember how the death of Jo Cox was by a madman and not a act of political extremism?
 
Dm comments today are more fascinating than usual. People are calling for revolution on there. The top rated comment says 'democracy in this country is an illusion', followed by one saying "Don't nobble us Brexitiers. Get it done or you have nearly 18 million problems that will come looking for answers."
 
Ax^ said:
wait for Ferrage to rewrite parts of the "rivers of blood speech"
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He will probably be too busy thanking those judges; this decision (and the inevitable scenes in Parliament that will follow) will probably save UKIP from the well-deserved oblivion it was about to face.
 
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