The Brexit Party

[Lucy Fur]

If such associations exclude one from being a Thatcherite, then I guess even Thatcher wasn't a Thatcherite, given her association with the likes of Pinochet. I suppose the obvious question would be, is Thatcherism fascism?

Possibly the only clear difference being that opposition political thought was allowed under Thatcherism.

 

[Pickman's model]

But he would then like it, think about that, something he liked.

he'd be polishing that turd forevermore

 

[Lucy Fur]

he'd be polishing that turd forevermore

or maybe just rolling it in glitter till it sparkled.

 

[Pickman's model]

or maybe just rolling it in glitter till it sparkled.

yes, he'd parade it round urban burbling in delight

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Possibly the only clear difference being that opposition political thought was allowed under Thatcherism.

Well, yes, that and the marked absence of industrial scale genocide in the home counties.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Fascists have a set of values usually, Farage is more of an opportunist. Then again most fascists are also opportunists. What a conundrum

 

[Lucy Fur]

Well, yes, that and the marked absence of industrial scale genocide in the home counties.

true of course, but whilst genocide has been the consequence of fascism, it is not a requirement for fascism.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

true of course, but whilst genocide has been the consequence of fascism, it is not a requirement for fascism.

What is our definition of fascism then?

 

[Lucy Fur]

What is our definition of fascism then?

Internet Oxford English suggests this:


Also an example of a non genocidal fascist is Engelbert Dollfuss (Engelbert Dollfuss - Wikipedia) but maybe he was assasanated before he got the chance

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What is our definition of fascism then?

I would think the main point of difference between someone like Farage and, say, the original fascism of Mussolini would be the the absence in Farage's platform of a formal proposal for a corporatist state. Nothing to do with a lack of genocide, though. Mussolini's original fascism wasn't even particularly anti-Semitic - there were Jewish Italian Fascists.

But we're talking family resemblances here, I would think. The question 'What is a Fascist?' doesn't have a definitive list of prerequisites. Some variation on 'blood and land' is perhaps a defining characteristic. Farage certainly passes that test.

 

[eoin_k]

If such associations exclude one from being a Thatcherite, then I guess even Thatcher wasn't a Thatcherite, given her association with the likes of Pinochet. I suppose the obvious question would be, is Thatcherism fascism?

Sure, Thatcher had allies of her own at home and abroad. I'd be sceptical about how useful it is to call Farage a fascist, but I think it might be complacent to call him just a Thatcherite, too. However brutal Thatcher was, we've been governed by Thatcherites ever since in some sense. This itteration of far right politics is something new, but the extent to which its centre of gravity comes from well beyond the right-wing of the political mainstream might give some cause for concern that it isn't just more of the same old shit.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I'm going to have to mull all this over I think .

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Sure, Thatcher had allies of her own at home and abroad. I'd be sceptical about how useful it is to call Farage a fascist, but I think it might be complacent to call him just a Thatcherite, too. However brutal Thatcher was, we've been governed by Thatcherites ever since in some sense. This itteration of far right politics is something new, but the extent to which its centre of gravity comes from well beyond the right-wing of the political mainstream might give some cause for concern that it isn't just more of the same old shit.

And the wider European grouping to which Farage belongs is nakedly racist. Some even have anti-Islam written into their explicitly stated aims. Nationalist and racist - these are the two things that connect them.

 

[Kaka Tim]

farage - whilst not a clearly defined fascist - certainly employs fascistic tropes - romantic nationalism, social conservatism and appeals to the "will of the people" against a treacherous governing "elite" - his attack on the electoral commission as being run by the same old political class and stuffed with remainers (ergo "traitors to democracy") is a case in point. And when he is not being explicit - he is always very ready with the dog whistles.

 

[killer b]

I think it's pretty silly to debate whether a politician of the second decade of the 21st century strictly adheres the politics of a political movement of the first half of the 20th century. He's close enough, so he get the fucking milkshake.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think it's pretty silly to debate whether a politician of the second decade of the 21st century strictly adheres the politics of a political movement of the first half of the 20th century. He's close enough, so he get the fucking milkshake.

By the milkshakes shall ye know them

 

[littlebabyjesus]

As for Farage's statement about why he left UKIP, it is laughable. Just look at the dogwhistle tweets coming from his account minutes after terrorist attacks over the last couple of years, not to mention the now former head of his new party being a rabid racist white supremacist.

The Founder Of Nigel Farage's New Brexit Party Has A History Of Anti-Muslim Comments

He is very good at the dogwhistle, much better at getting his anti-Islam message across without stepping over certain lines than his more fuckwitted associates. But he is very much one of them.

 

[planetgeli]

Possibly the only clear difference being that opposition political thought was allowed under Thatcherism.

She didn’t go around dropping people out of helicopters but I still think your use of ‘allowed’ is a little strong.

Remember TINA?

 

[weepiper]

*chortle*

 

[Rosemary Jest]

Those fucking trousers though.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They actually shook hands at the end, with trouser boy saying 'Yes' triumphantly, I think.

 

[TopCat]

Nigel Farage 'stuck on Brexit bus due to people armed with milkshakes'

 

[teqniq]

Who us ocifer? We was going to do nuffin.

 

[Idris2002]

 

[not-bono-ever]

To be fair, if a few milkshake missiles are going to ensure more voters to vote for this cunt, then we deserve everything we get in this country. End times.

 

[Ax^]

How do you even make fun of the stuff in the news anymore

 

[Pickman's model]

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Drown him in a tun of mcd's strawberry

 

[Pickman's model]

Who us ocifer? We was going to do nuffin.

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Cuntstable on the right doesn't seem keen to share his shoulder id

 

[Badgers]

Odd story this

 

[Badgers]

Not sure if fake