TopCat
Putin fanboy
I would bet most Brits haven't eaten a turnip in the last year.
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
For rabbit hole read self awareness.
bimble
floofy
Nah i think its true. This wasn't inevitable and the 49% could definitely have prevented no deal if that had been the aim instead of marching up and down for years demanding that we don't leave at all, I reckon.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
If our household is typical (hmmmnn?) you'd be wrong. They're an ideal substitute for bamboo shoots in a Chinese.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I love them but most dont.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If we are remainers then who are they remainers? And if it was so easy to change things by changing names from remainer to eg feta buccaneer I think it would have been tried
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Fabulous!
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
On one level, yeah...but it's really only a subset of what this has always been; one vision of neoliberal acceleration versus another...and it's all too late now.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh. It'll be like the bits in the auld stories when people scavenge in woods and live on roots.. A reet good time.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Not sure anyone who's not an MP could do anything once the vote was taken. They seem to have decided it amongst themselves. Apart from the last election perhaps.
bimble
floofy
I think that was me trying to say that before the referendum I was ok to go with the label remainer, afterwards it should have changed to something like customs alignment-er.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Habits are hard to break
But people weren't just 'marching up and down demanding we don't leave at all.' 'Remain' ran the gamut from hardline revokers to those who did try and engineer a softer Brexit. But that wasn't a realistic prospect as soon as May took it off the table in 2016.
e2a - some good points on the debates in 2017-9 in Chris Grey's latest blogpost.
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The irony...
bimble
floofy
Fair enough. I didn’t notice that very much apart from david gauke and a few like that who saw years ago that no deal was very likely.
Millions of people marched and signed petitions from 2016 to at least the end of 2018 to say that Brexit wasn’t working and we needed a second referendum to undo it. That was definitely the face of remainerdom. Soft Brexit was a whisper in the storm.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Without re-running thousands of pages of threads again...there was always logic behind the 'pure' binary positions of 'Leave' (meaning leaving) and 'Remain' (meaning not leaving) given the binary, single referendum put before the electorate. Cameron did not offer any halfway house.
If that’s true then there can be no complaints now about no deal.
It’s not true, though. All the advertising and literature at the time made it clear that “leave” would most likely mean remaining in the customs union. We all even received a printed leaflet about it through our letterboxes.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
There are always voters who choose to believe what they're told. Despite the eventual logic of 'Leave' meaning actually leaving the supra state, I don't agree that folk can't complain at the outcome achieved by the liars. Remember that 49.5% of the population couldn't or didn't even participate in the plebiscite.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It was, but thats because so many people poured so much effort into keeping it quiet - the ERG for obvious reasons, but on the other side the anti-Corb faction, the SNP and the LDs all found differing reasons to back a policy that was never going to come into being without changing the government.
A soft Brexit was eminently achievable, but it would have interfered with too many people's careers and so they rejected it. Later most of those people lost their careers and went to work in the usual posts.
gosub
~#
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Not really; the single-stage, binary referendum afforded no 'spectrum' of nuance; you either voted for neoliberalism within or without a supra-state or declined the opportunity to choose either of those alternatives.
andysays
Love and solidarity
There are certainly a few who seem to embrace every piece of bad news as an opportunity to say "I told you so".We did not
That is why we voted remain
And one Remainer in particular who has repeated posted about how he hopes the lights will go out in NI on the first day of the New Year, although thankfully he's a bit of an aberration...
bimble
floofy
That’s a good clear eyed bit of writing. It’s true the problem with hindsight is that it forgets it is just that, hindsight. Also I forgot how may sold her deal as either this, or else no deal or no brexit, giving pretty much everyone a good reason to oppose it.
grit
an ugly force for good
Despite how bad a no deal exit will be for Ireland, there is precisely a fuck all chance of us stepping out of line with the EU.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Can you cut and paste it please? Or summarise?
Chris Grey's blog has been the best rolling analysis of events since 2016 IMO. I don't always agree with him - he's 'hard remain' - but as an analysis of the political machinations it's unparalleled.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Perfect chance for a back to the land /cut food miles movement to prosper.But we’re not even self sufficient in turnips.
Fresh carrots, turnips and similar edible roots: import value 2003-2022 Statistic | Statista
The value generated from the import of fresh or chilled carrots, turnips, and salad beetroot in the United Kingdom decreased by 7.3 million British Pounds (-16.72 percent) in 2022 in comparison to the previous year.www.statista.com
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