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StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
Exhaustive profile of Shit Shitseph Shitson here:
Alex Jones’ Protegé, Paul Joseph Watson, Is About to Steal His Crackpot Crown
Lies about everything it turns out!
Alex Jones’ Protegé, Paul Joseph Watson, Is About to Steal His Crackpot Crown
Lies about everything it turns out!
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
A very good primer on incels wrt the killer in Toronto:
A primer to incel culture, the possible motive for the Toronto attack
On the one hand it feels relieving that this stuff might be more widely recognised now, but on the other it's infuriating that for years women were entirely ignored when this lot were attacking them online, and when women tried to explain how dangerous this shit is they were largely told "lol, it's just sad gamer dudes, ignore them."
A primer to incel culture, the possible motive for the Toronto attack
On the one hand it feels relieving that this stuff might be more widely recognised now, but on the other it's infuriating that for years women were entirely ignored when this lot were attacking them online, and when women tried to explain how dangerous this shit is they were largely told "lol, it's just sad gamer dudes, ignore them."
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It might be that more attention is paid to the activities of clear and obvious internet misogynists, though based on the response to all the clear and obvious internet nazis I'm sceptical.
I don't really have a lot of hope for general constructive analysis resulting from this, any more than it has from any other aspects of this particular poisonous area being made more public. There's a general lack of willingness to recognise that it doesn't happen on its own, to treat each instance as exceptional. Already the majority of responses are at best along the lines of "whoa the internet fucks people up, no way would anyone do that unless they'd been warped by some weird force that's completely separate from everything else" except that's not really the case is it? Incels and MRAs and the rest haven't got this stuff out of nowhere any more than channers invented anti-semitism.
I remember being that age and miserable and feeling excluded from society, and there were the exact same messages around about women being unfair, preferring bad boys and popular boys, that I was owed something for being a nice guy - and worse at times - coming not through the internet but through books and films and music and porn mags and conversations. Men then were still killing women on those bases. Granted that the net accelerates the feedback cycle, particularly once people start socially excluding themselves, but it also works in the opposite direction, with the potential to expose people to hugely different POVs.
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
That's interesting.
I can tend to jump up and down and shout: SHUT DOWN THE INTERNET! But, when I think things through I am prepared to accept that things are perhaps a bit more nuanced - so I'm grateful that your post made me think.
I do still think though the internet - or really, Web 2.0 and always-on high-speed broadband - is a step change. I think it's addictive in a way that previous media aren't (Mark Zuckerberg did a bit of a double-take in his congressional hearings thing when someone asked him about "social media addiction". I think that Facebook et al probably know that their platforms are addictive and are kind of in the position that the tobacco companies once were in that regard. I reckon that their need for huge numbers mean that they won't ever properly address either fake accounts or racists and fascists using their platforms.)
Ah, I could go on and on about this without really having my thoughts sorted out yet. . .
I enjoyed your post though and what it made me think - are we just seeing sub cultures or is something more happening...?
I can tend to jump up and down and shout: SHUT DOWN THE INTERNET! But, when I think things through I am prepared to accept that things are perhaps a bit more nuanced - so I'm grateful that your post made me think.
I do still think though the internet - or really, Web 2.0 and always-on high-speed broadband - is a step change. I think it's addictive in a way that previous media aren't (Mark Zuckerberg did a bit of a double-take in his congressional hearings thing when someone asked him about "social media addiction". I think that Facebook et al probably know that their platforms are addictive and are kind of in the position that the tobacco companies once were in that regard. I reckon that their need for huge numbers mean that they won't ever properly address either fake accounts or racists and fascists using their platforms.)
Ah, I could go on and on about this without really having my thoughts sorted out yet. . .
I enjoyed your post though and what it made me think - are we just seeing sub cultures or is something more happening...?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Actually I was thinking of another response that's winding me up - the one that's basically "ha ha you sad bastards, nobody wants to fuck you, maybe if you were nicer you'd get laid". Because of course the best thing is to reinforce the idea that you're an inferior man if you don't have sex, and better men have a right to expect that they will have sex. It's not really about the sex, people (which is why all the "why don't they just go pay for it" responses also wind me up).
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
And. . . I can't remember where I read it, but this has stuck in my mind: "everything is really about sex - except for sex, which is always really about something else".
StigoftheDig
Humdrum mud drummer
I'm surprised no-one - or not more people - don't mention porn. Web 2.0 has changed a lot of things, but one of the biggest is 24/7 access at a moment's notice to what is to all intents and purposes a never-ending supply of an infinite variety of porn. I suspect that's not an entirely healthy way for a young man to get their expectations of in-real-life relationships.
I take your point on the sex thing, FridgeMagnet, but that seems to be what Incels and other similar groups focus on - to a large degree, in any case. (I'm no expert, I've read some feminists on the issue.)
Before the internet, if you were a bit isolated and socially awkward - non-diagnosably so, say - then you didn't have the option to find thousands of other isolated people and to be isolated together via an essentially isolating medium! It's a perfect feedback loop!
I take your point on the sex thing, FridgeMagnet, but that seems to be what Incels and other similar groups focus on - to a large degree, in any case. (I'm no expert, I've read some feminists on the issue.)
Before the internet, if you were a bit isolated and socially awkward - non-diagnosably so, say - then you didn't have the option to find thousands of other isolated people and to be isolated together via an essentially isolating medium! It's a perfect feedback loop!
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
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Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
Yeah, and I really don't like the responses that take the piss out of people for their appearances or their material circumstances. Anything that goes on about small dicks, living in basements, being insecure, weight, etc. winds me up.
It's not those things that alienate people and turn them into women-hating (and self-hating) bastards, but certainly our responses as a society to those things help provide an atmosphere in which those responses can breed.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
definitely.
There has been a whole weird reddit thing going on over the last week, where r/inceltears became subreddit of the week and, to the surprise of regulars, appeared not to be well received for their enmity and pisstaking of r/braincels.
Inceltears appear adamant that all critical comments were r/braincels. R/braincels appear both overjoyed that r/inceltears have been taken down a peg or two, whilst simultaneously loathing the virtue-signalling normies who have no right to speak on their behalf.
(I became curious about this thanks to news reports, and so began my first - frankly odd, but very timely - engagement with reddit.)
It reminds me of the days when urban did board invasions.
Edit: oh, and across all this, someone at r/braincels is threatening to doxx all r/inceltears regulars. It’s all very dramatic.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
That shit is so fucking childish.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I have a lot of trouble reconciling on the one hand feeling sorry for people who feel alienated from society and unable to form meaningful intimacy with other human beings, thinking that they are a prime example of how insane patriarchal structures and neoliberalism damage men, and on the other thinking that they are being wilfully appalling cunts and frankly need beating.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Last week, Liberty University professor Judith Reisman, a radical anti-LGBTQ activist who believes that public schools should face class action lawsuits from parents for illegally “grooming” children for sex, declared that “this whole Pizzagate issue is worthy of FBI investigation.”
On the April 26 episode of his “USA Survival” program, Cliff Kincaid asked Reisman her thoughts on the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory, which asserts that influential lawmakers and power brokers are involved in a child sex trafficking ring operating out of a Washington pizza parlor. Reisman responded that she would like to see claims investigated by authorities because there is a lot to suggest that they are “true and factual.”
Liberty University Professor Judith Reisman Says Pizzagate ‘Is Worthy Of FBI Investigation’ | Right Wing Watch
On the April 26 episode of his “USA Survival” program, Cliff Kincaid asked Reisman her thoughts on the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory, which asserts that influential lawmakers and power brokers are involved in a child sex trafficking ring operating out of a Washington pizza parlor. Reisman responded that she would like to see claims investigated by authorities because there is a lot to suggest that they are “true and factual.”
Liberty University Professor Judith Reisman Says Pizzagate ‘Is Worthy Of FBI Investigation’ | Right Wing Watch
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
So the “Day Of Freedom” which appears to be a public alt right youtuber convention (including the Dankula guy) is theoretically happening tomorrow. Times and places seem a little fuzzy but coalescing around Whitehall around 1pm and then speakers corner at 3, it looks like. Obviously there are also various antifa and other groups mobilising to be there in opposition.
If the last alt right gathering at speakers corner is anything to go by, which I think it is, this will be pretty shambolic and poorly attended. Randoms are saying “the FLA will be there” on Twitter, which in practice means that a few far right folk who were FLA hangers-on will be there. Maybe.
If the last alt right gathering at speakers corner is anything to go by, which I think it is, this will be pretty shambolic and poorly attended. Randoms are saying “the FLA will be there” on Twitter, which in practice means that a few far right folk who were FLA hangers-on will be there. Maybe.
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dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
That would be ridiculous and worthy of laughter if someone is not serving 4 years in jail for investigating it by firing a rifle in a pizza place.
'Pizzagate' shooter sentenced to 4 years in prison - CNNPolitics
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It seems like it’s the other way around - people meeting at speakers corner and then going to Whitehall for 3 to meet the main event (en route now). Looks like more than I thought would turn up but hard to say exactly how many; everyone’s estimates are different based on whose side they’re on.
The Whitehall demo does seem fairly well organised - looks like a lot of co-ordination with the US contingent. Can’t see the U.K. lot managing it on their own.
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ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I wonder if any of the ‘freeze peach’ warriors (or gun rights advocates for that matter) will say anything about this:
Black activist jailed for his Facebook posts speaks out about secret FBI surveillance
I won’t hold my breath.
Incidentally, this notion of ‘black identity extremism’ is a narrative that the alt-right/alt-light have been pushing for years now: BLM are ‘a domestic terrorist organisation’, ‘black supremacist racists’ ‘race hustlers’ and the like. I know the FBI have form on this sort of state terror (cointelpro etc.) but the ideological framing of this operation seems at least to rely on aspects of alt-right/alt-light thinking.
Black activist jailed for his Facebook posts speaks out about secret FBI surveillance
I won’t hold my breath.
Incidentally, this notion of ‘black identity extremism’ is a narrative that the alt-right/alt-light have been pushing for years now: BLM are ‘a domestic terrorist organisation’, ‘black supremacist racists’ ‘race hustlers’ and the like. I know the FBI have form on this sort of state terror (cointelpro etc.) but the ideological framing of this operation seems at least to rely on aspects of alt-right/alt-light thinking.
rekil
to menny cranks
cantsin
Well-Known Member
agree 100%, the alienation and loneliness experienced by those who can't find partners , can't get laid, possibly not over burdened with IRL friends etc, often added to low pay / shit job / still living at home ( old trope of 4Channers spewing hate from Mom's basement) - combined with amplification of perception re: everything negative via the constant bombardment of curated lifestyle imagery from soc media - it sounds like a recipe for alienation on a different level. At least trying to understand/empathise, whatever the horrendous political howls coming out of the incel / mgtow / 4 chan etc camps, seems the only sensible/constructive response ( especially when am sure many of us experience/have experienced/will experience some / all of the above sh*t at some point).
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petee
no gods, no malarkey
A white supremacist former gang leader was gunned down over the weekend outside a Chinese restaurant in New Hampshire.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/wh...xecuted-outside-chinese-buffet-new-hampshire/
rap sheet included
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/wh...xecuted-outside-chinese-buffet-new-hampshire/
rap sheet included
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Yeah, this one doesn't look so good. The bad faith of the twitter mobs ranged against her is so obvious though, that I'm not going to switch sides at this point, although it's grossly disappointing to find this out.
And her major point - which is that the urge to be edgy and transgressive like the "cool kids" was a big mistake for the left to make - still stands, I think, and isn't undermined by these plagiarisms.
E2A:
And her publisher is defending her, and pointing out certain deficiencies in her detractors claims:
Our Response to Charles Davis’ Attack on Angela Nagle - Zero Books Blog
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