The Alt-Right

[ItWillNeverWork]

It Wasn't Just White Men Who Participated In The 'Unite The Right' Rally | HuffPost

Were all white women at the rally? Or just nazi scum ones?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Where have you read the word 'all'?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Anyway...the brass neck of this guy trying to hold a press conference given what happened...

 

[J Ed]

Heather Heyer, the woman who was murdered, was white.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Where have you read the word 'all'?

Don't feign confusion. The original tweet is quite clearly laying collective blame for this. Something right out of the Tommy Robinson playbook.

White women: your hands may not have held most torches this wknd, but you birth, feed, caress, screw, raise, and love the systems killing us

 

[mojo pixy]

That fucking article...

The “Unite The Right” gathering represents so much more than toxic or fragile masculinity.

Nazis = masculinity.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Don't feign confusion.

Firstly, don't tell me what to do. Secondly, perhaps your indignation would be better focused on those White women this writer was talking about, or those who actually continue to openly support this fucking shit.

 

[J Ed]

Firstly, don't tell me what to do. Secondly, perhaps your indignation would be better focused on those White women this writer was talking about, or those who actually continue to openly support this fucking shit.

She seems to be talking about all white women?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Firstly, don't tell me what to do. Secondly, perhaps your indignation would be better focused on those White women this writer was talking about, or those who actually continue to openly support this fucking shit.

My first post said fuck nazis. I'll say it again - fuck em. And I hope the cunt that drove that car gets a life sentence.

That tweet is still out of order.

 

[Treacle Toes]

She seems to be talking about all white women?

I don't think so. Nor does it seem that 'all' white women think so either given the replies she received.

 

[agricola]

Secondly, perhaps your indignation would be better focused on those White women this writer was talking about, or those who actually continue to openly support this fucking shit.

Its daft, though. You'd think people would have realized how utterly self-defeating a stance it was after 2016, but here they are again.

 

[mojo pixy]

I wish people would in analyses actually try looking for the causes of neo-nazism and not just blame ''whiteness'' and ''masculinity'' (however toxic and whatever that actually means / is meant by). But nah, that'd be too fucking complicated, nuanced, too much to understand, too reflective. Not shouty enough. No instant gratification, no chance to otherise and objectify and point fingers.

 

[J Ed]

I don't think so. Nor does it seem that 'all' white women think so either given the replies she received.

If she isn't all referring to all white women then she should stop explicitly addressing all white women.

 

[J Ed]

Its daft, though. You'd think people would have realized how utterly self-defeating a stance it was after 2016, but here they are again.

The author of the tweets supported Sanders in the primaries.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

That fucking article...

The “Unite The Right” gathering represents so much more than toxic or fragile masculinity.

Nazis = masculinity.

Look up the terms toxic masculinity and fragile masculinity.

It doesn't mean that masculinity is fragile or toxic per se. They're terms that refer to a particular kind of masculinity that arises from social dysfunction and patriarchy.

It's hard to discuss stuff without naming things and defining terms. So these terms are being used to talk about a particular expression of maleness or masculinity, in an effort to understand what's going on. Sure, it's a bit clumsy but it'll do for the time being.

It seems to me that since there appears to be some significant overlap between MRA, PUA and this Alt-Right stuff (not to mention all the other abusive stuff that is also associated with this shit) then trying to understand where dysfunctionality arises for the men involved is crucial.

 

[mojo pixy]

I don't believe that's best done by using labels. Conflating behaviour and identity is a big mistake too.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

How do you talk about things without giving them names?

And how can you separate out the dysfunctional behaviour that's associated with a particular group of people without talking about the behaviour as it's associated with that group?

How would we talk about this incident at Charlottesville without using terms like white supremacist?

 

[J Ed]

I don't believe that's best done by using labels. Conflating behaviour and identity is a big mistake too.

Yes, it seems to me that there is a real crossover between the alt-right on the one hand and liberals, the left on the other here in the way that identity is talked about. Identities are seen as immutable, and the main basis of political mobilisation. Or, to the extent that identity isn't immutable it seems to require white people to denounce themselves, their parents and in many cases most of the people they know. That isn't the behaviour of normal people, is it?

 

[J Ed]

How do you talk about things without giving them names?

And how can you separate out the dysfunctional behaviour that's associated with a particular group of people without talking about the behaviour as it's associated with that group?

How would we talk about this incident at Charlottesville without using terms like white supremacist?

Key term there is white supremacist. The man who killed Heather Heyer was a white supremacist, Heather Heyer was white. This is how normal people use language.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

'Toxic masculinity' - the pop-psychology explanation of fascism. If only men got more cuddles when they were younger then there wouldn't be any nazis. Not too many cuddles though, because then it gets all a Freudian. Plus, Hitler only had one ball, etc.

 

[mojo pixy]

How do you talk about things without giving them names?

And how can you separate out the dysfunctional behaviour that's associated with a particular group of people without talking about the behaviour as it's associated with that group?

Names / labels fair enough, but conflating behaviour and identity is still a very bad idea.

How would we talk about this incident at Charlottesville without using terms like white supremacist?

About a specific individual, to describe their behaviour and attitudes, isn't the same as blanket-terming entire social groups, whoever they may be and whatever behaviour is being talked about.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Milo tour manager Baked Alaska got maced:



Think the chap with him is telling people that “he's a VIP!” in order to procure extra milk.

Lovely still photo of same

 

[RD2003]

What is supposed to happen if you don't 'identify' as anything in particular? What does it mean, in actual fact, to self-identify? They're just trying to put us in boxes (man). Left and right.

How did previous generations ever survive without 'identifying' themselves all the time?

 

[RD2003]

'Toxic masculinity' - the pop-psychology explanation of fascism. If only men got more cuddles when they were younger then there wouldn't be any nazis. Not too many cuddles though, because then it gets all a Freudian. Plus, Hitler only had one ball, etc.

How explain those of us who never got many cuddles (sob), but never became Nazis or even grew up to harbour any bigotry at all (except maybe against students and hipsters?)

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

How explain those of us who never got many cuddles (sob), but never became Nazis or even grew up to harbour any bigotry at all (except maybe against students and hipsters?)

Well quite. That's sort of my point.

 

[RD2003]

Well quite. That's sort of my point.

I knew it was your point. I was supporting you. Psychobabble rules now. It's one of the major nails in the coffin of the liberal left.

But never fear-the right seems to have adopted it too.

 

[albionism]

 

[CRI]

Firstly, don't tell me what to do. Secondly, perhaps your indignation would be better focused on those White women this writer was talking about, or those who actually continue to openly support this fucking shit.

Christ, please tell me people on here aren't trying the "not all white women" shit.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Christ, please tell me people on here aren't trying the "not all white women" shit.

Let's blame all Muslim mothers for jihadi fuckwits then. That's the logic you're promoting there. Left-Identarians like you and that tweeter have the same way of looking at the world as Right-Identarians. Can't you see that?

 

[Casually Red]

To be fair by 1945 he'd done the decent thing and blow his head off...