danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Quoted because it's worth emphasising.
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bimble
floofy
The thing of addressing tweets to White Women is common practice in some quarters of twitter, its nothing unusual. I agree it has big problems (just like when people write things blaming 'Men' for whatever) but personally instead of railing against the form every time it gets repeated I prefer to look at my own kneejerk discomfort when reading those tweets and see what it is that i'm feeling so defensive about.
JimW
支那暗杀团
That just sort of highlights what a useless analysis it is though.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Well, hopefully it changes something. Hopefully it gets more people questioning the assumptions behind this sort of blame game.
Because it isn't "mothers", "women", or "white women" who are responsible for the actions of the klansmen; it's the klansmen.
(And, yes, I take the point about "good people staying silent". But that's not the point the tweeter was making, although it may be the point some readers took from it).
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Maybe. I'm not convinced twitter is a useful platform for reasoned debate, though.
Treacle Toes
Time
She is wrong IYO danny, yes I get that.
I think it's off to suggest those women that agreed with her don't understand or are just wrong though. Surely that's just as derogatory and sneerie as you are saying this writer has been. Akin to saying 'they don't know their own mind'. That you know better than them. I know you are not that dismissive but it's how it could be interpreted.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
danny la rouge, I can see why you are taking issue with how this point was made, but the specific behaviour described also goes beyond 'good people staying silent' to active complicity. Isn't there a need to be able to describe how a wider segment of American society sustains and has benefited from the action of klansmen in the street, preferably without appearing to blame all white women?
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
OK, but maybe it's better to assume people are competent enough to own their views? If people agree with the tweeter, then they're assigning group blame based on biology. I think that's wrong. And I'd say that to them directly if they were here.
The grey area is interpretation. If people believe that what the tweeter is saying is a paraphrase or variant of the Burke quote about "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing", then I agree with the thing they believe the tweet is saying, but I disagree with them that it is what it is saying.
I apologize if it came across as sneary, but my intention was to allow for areas of agreement but point out what it was I disagreed with.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Disagreeing with it doesn't have to hinge on defensiveness . It's an illogical statement . And as it comes from an ideological background that's imbued with " privilege checking " at it's essence it's defining an ethnicity ...white...as " bad " . Its implying collusion . Even worse , it aligns the far right she's discussing with " toxic masculinity " . Which means ..if that analysis is correct , these same faceless women will very likely be on the regular receiving end of DV . So we have a feminist writer effectively victim blaming as well . So, the upshot will be if one of those fuckers goes home , gets drunk and physically abuses their partner..that's her fault for being white . As opposed to being trapped in an abusive relationship with a cunt .
It's wrong on every level because it comes from an ideologically fucked up starting point .
Treacle Toes
Time
Fucking hell. Cunts. 
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
That's repulsive.
BigTom
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yeah - it's also what got GoDaddy to end their hosting, and possibly the "anonymous" takedown is fake as they haven't found another hosting provider willing to take them on, and so are putting that up as a pretence of being hacked instead of not being able to find hosting.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
A bit of caution with that . Anonymous are denying any connection to it and suggesting its a nazi false flag .
Anonymous didn't hack the world's most notorious Nazi website. The truth is far more sinister
Joe Reilly
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It is perfectly OK to blame white people, white women, white working class men, and on this occasion white working class women, for all of society's ills. It is after all just an opinion.
It is only when this thought process is jumbled up with 'anti-racism' or 'anti-fascism' that it becomes truly radioactive.
It is only when this thought process is jumbled up with 'anti-racism' or 'anti-fascism' that it becomes truly radioactive.
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maomao
普費斯
They're a business. It's only when it becomes widely publicised and has a chance of threatening their profits from other sites that they give a shit. I'm sure they won't be giving back any of the money they've made from hosting racist filth.
rekil
to menny cranks
What's the difference between the charlottesville nazis and the ones you hang around with in Berlin when you're over there pretending to like football?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Hoperfully this weekend was a big wake up call to alot of people.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Ah, but this is highly publicised vile shit (
at GoDaddy)
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Worth noting that Bob Parsons (founder, board member and former CEO of Godaddy) is a Trump supporter who is anti-gun control and once shot an Elephant for fun.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
can we right the balance by getting an elephant to shoot yer man for fun? or at least for our fun.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
One point I've been meaning to make about the forms I.d. politics take in the US is that those forms are specific to that country, and go back to the first century of mass politics there. If you're an Irish-American immigrant, you vote for Boss Murphy because he got your cousin from Dublin the job in the police force.
And every time that happens, that's a job on the police that Boss Kowalski can't give to somebody's cousin from Warsaw. My point is that American identity politics are based on an assumed, inevitable conflict over inherently scarce resources. The socialist or social democratic assumption that such scarcity is not inevitable is alien to this point of view. And those who hold this point of view think that in conditions of scarcity, a gain for one group must inherently mean a loss for another group. The idea that a coalition of groups could overcome that scarcity and that conflict is one that they genuinely find hard or impossible to grasp.
And every time that happens, that's a job on the police that Boss Kowalski can't give to somebody's cousin from Warsaw. My point is that American identity politics are based on an assumed, inevitable conflict over inherently scarce resources. The socialist or social democratic assumption that such scarcity is not inevitable is alien to this point of view. And those who hold this point of view think that in conditions of scarcity, a gain for one group must inherently mean a loss for another group. The idea that a coalition of groups could overcome that scarcity and that conflict is one that they genuinely find hard or impossible to grasp.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh it's just like in the wire, for example, in the second (?) series where everything stems from a conflict between a cop and the union over a window in a church.
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