Tom A
Goat among sheep
Unfortunately (for the left) these days "the people" are pretty adverse of being told of the One True and Correct Message as dictated by whatever organisation is telling them.
The Alt-Left
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butchersapron
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I think it's gone into in this long interview (which anyone concerned with this stuff should read) - it may have been another one though. I've waded through so much of this stuff over the last few years that i may have the wrong piece. I'm confident in my saying this a real sore point for the alt-rights big hitters though.
edit: tried numerous ways to break link but keeps turning it into link.
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Tom A
Goat among sheep
Try using Archive.is - it saves a snapshot of the page so it doesn't directly link to them and give them click traffic.
butchersapron
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Ta. Will change link now.
thanks for posting that, very useful
The internet is both friend and foe...useful for actually passing on details of meet-ups, events and such...where sheer numbers are vital...but also weirdly atomistic in that we think we have intimacy and collectivity but in actual fact, we are more alone and isolated than we have ever been. I have more or less abandoned political (parliamentary) activity and feel more inclined to concentrate on single issue politics (particularly housing, which is getting deeper resonance across class and age barriers). A mass occupation of common land requires organising (internet) but also needs actual attendance and particpation. Blogging, waffling on the web does not, as far as I can see, produce the collective participation which the Right have been so keen to close down - pretty much everything from pubs to librairies.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Oh yeah who is that guy on here with the shit jokes about Britain First? That.
We're back to "we want a UKIP of the left" again.
butchersapron
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That's nice dear.
butchersapron
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We demand two dimensions!
butchersapron
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It's so important that we read stuff like this.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Yes it is but I don't understand why you think that could be a real sore point for the alt-right big hitters. If anything it's the most articulate explanation of their position I've seen, it's bang on their beliefs, ideology and the alt right gig in general.
butchersapron
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I was suggesting there is a gap between the people Johnson represents - the actual alt-right - and the wider right and that this is over cultural conservatism. The alt-liking it, the new right hating it. It is a huge point for them, almost a defining trait.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Yep I get that, there's a gap, there are loads of gaps but he seems to be talking about how they have all come together.
"Those people are all ex-libertarians, and they have moved out of libertarianism towards white identity politics in basically the same way I did and a lot of other people have. So, that really is a broad tributary that is flowing into White identity politics and into the overall Alt Right umbrella and it’s a very vital force too."
"So, the broadness of the Alternative Right category really helps, I think. It allows a lot of people to participate in this, but also the broadness of it is threatening to some people because in the end these are not just ideas and fun on the internet. We really do have a vision of society."
As he says the paleo-conservatives and the like, they're all dead.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
sorry for wiki but
the new right hate this? I'd have thought that was something they could all agree on: 'us' versus 'them'?
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
On a less-enlightened board than this someone would have posted that tedious political compass thing on page 1. Consider ourselves fortunate.
butchersapron
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The polices of the new right smashed apart the things that traditional cultural conservatism held dear. The alt-right is in part, a reaction to that. A demand that the right once again take these things seriously.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
butchersapron
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Yes, that new right helped destroy all the things that the alt-right an the cultural conservatives hold dear and that they are a defence of.
What are you seeking to do here?
What are you seeking to do here?
butchersapron
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I didn't mention neo-conservatives. You did. The alt-right have problems with the neo-liberal right on the lines i suggested.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
That raises another point on which the alt right seems to be split on, foreign policy. Some of the alt-right are pro-Israel etc whereas others are pro-Russia, pro-Iran etc
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Marcuse was a pussy!
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
It's not surprising, though, is it?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
so for example after neo-liberals said they were right wing but have shown themselves only really interested in profit, the alt right are demanding they take the 'traditional' right wing views of race and sex seriously?
am just trying to understand what you said
butchersapron
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Not interested tonight. Go back to your vodka. Play that game there.
J Ed
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Actually yes, I am well aware of the extent of the links between segregationist politics and 'libertarian' politics in the US, so perhaps the wider political trend is unsurprising but in some specific cases it has genuinely surprised me.
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