The 7/7 Report
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I`m eating rice pudding, get lost!
I`ve been perfectly clear about what I think! You think I have to respond to your badly painted distortions of what I`ve said?
People can read and decide for themselves. The drills on 9/11 were integral in allowing the event to occur in the first place, I believe I`m right to be suspicious about the same thing transpiring on 7/7. We can`t judge what effect they had, because we don`t have any of the details of it....because they`re a secret.
Why?
I`m sick of it, its not my fault I cant tell you exactly what happened because the state isn`t releasing the information in the first place.....THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF A COVERUP!! Sheesh
I`m not telling you what happened in the case of 7/7, I`m saying you need to be asking some fundamental questions when examining the official storyline. That does not make me insane, you fools!
I`ve been perfectly clear about what I think! You think I have to respond to your badly painted distortions of what I`ve said?
People can read and decide for themselves. The drills on 9/11 were integral in allowing the event to occur in the first place, I believe I`m right to be suspicious about the same thing transpiring on 7/7. We can`t judge what effect they had, because we don`t have any of the details of it....because they`re a secret.
Why?
I`m sick of it, its not my fault I cant tell you exactly what happened because the state isn`t releasing the information in the first place.....THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF A COVERUP!! Sheesh
I`m not telling you what happened in the case of 7/7, I`m saying you need to be asking some fundamental questions when examining the official storyline. That does not make me insane, you fools!
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hiraethified
And naturally it couldn't be something as simple as LT making an effort to ensure that their cameras were working in response to the dreadful attacks on 7/7 and the increased security risk?Prole said:
No, that's far too simple for a dishonest, deluded bullshitter like you, isn't it?
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hiraethified
Here's your very own words:Azrael23 said:
Azrael23 said:
So, once again, please explain:
What's this 'radio chatter' you were babbling on about?
What 'key departments' were involved in this 'drill?'
What 'key operatives' were moving about?
Oh, don't forget to produce some proof of this 'tampered' CCTV tape and proof that de Menezes worked for LT too!
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
laptop said:Except that the ancients. confronted with someone shouting "Look, the goats are eating! It's A SIGN!" would have responded - "They do that every fucking day, you idiot".
Or rather: συμβαίνει κάθε fucking ημέρα, εσείς ηλίθιος
Makes you as sane as Prole is...Editor
Are you some kind of fucking plank? *annoyance sets in
I`m not saying there was radio chatter, im giving you scenarios as to why a drill MIGHT be used. MIGHT. The drill definitely happened which was denied by a poster prior to the response you posted. I`m saying it COULD have been used to cover the movements of security service operatives or to mislead anyone who say thought they heard people talking about bombs on their walky...
Now do you understand? The fucking drill doesn`t have to do anything... its put in place beforehand to ensure that anyone who sees something suspicious is put off doing anything about it.
Have you read anything i`ve posted without applying your goggles of conspiraloonery to the situation? I`ve been explicit about this three times since you initially started foaming at the mouth.....I know you can read so just shut up! I`m not CLAIMING anything you pompous fool, I`m SUGGESTING something....theres a difference. But please don`t let me stand in the way of your ego inspired rantings.
Are you some kind of fucking plank? *annoyance sets in
I`m not saying there was radio chatter, im giving you scenarios as to why a drill MIGHT be used. MIGHT. The drill definitely happened which was denied by a poster prior to the response you posted. I`m saying it COULD have been used to cover the movements of security service operatives or to mislead anyone who say thought they heard people talking about bombs on their walky...
Now do you understand? The fucking drill doesn`t have to do anything... its put in place beforehand to ensure that anyone who sees something suspicious is put off doing anything about it.
Have you read anything i`ve posted without applying your goggles of conspiraloonery to the situation? I`ve been explicit about this three times since you initially started foaming at the mouth.....I know you can read so just shut up! I`m not CLAIMING anything you pompous fool, I`m SUGGESTING something....theres a difference. But please don`t let me stand in the way of your ego inspired rantings.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Azrael23 said:
I see what you're saying, but even as a hypothetical it's deeply flawed. Movement could be explained away with a much simpler story than an excersise, radio chatter would have all been encoded (sounds like static over the net if you don't have the key) so none would have been heard. Finally it wasn't a governement training excersise, it was a private one. So it wouldn't have been good cover for anything that you've suggested. Nor was it the type of excersise where that sort of cover would have worked effectivly.
No, the excersise is rather irrelevant to the story, it adds un nessisary complications for little benifit. KISS.
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hiraethified
Admit it: you didn't know that the exercise took place on paper and you've done your best to wriggle out of your colossal cock-up ever since.Azrael23 said:
I mean, why else would you bring up a load of totally irrelevant guff about 'radio chatter,' 'key operatives' and 'confusion in key depts' when it has ZERO relevance to the events of the day?
Now, about your other, equally stupid claims about this 'tampered' CCTV tape and de Menezes working for LT.
Have you got actually anything remotely approaching proof or is just more of your moronic vacuous ramblings based on your own loonspud imagination?
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Of course not. Why should it be? There is nothing at all to make it a suspicious event. There was no surprisingly quick response times, no carefully coordinated plans put into play, in short why the hell should we waste time and money on it?Azrael23 said:
We can look at the company that runs these drills and extrapolate what they normally do, or you could email the company and ask for a brief digest of what these drills would consist of.
So to sum up about the bombings
Lack of details in evidence >>>>> MI5 did it.
Evidence presented >>>>>> MI5 faked evidence and then did it.
Lack of evidence for MI5 doing it >>>>> MI5 supressing evidence they did it
All presented under the innocence of "I haven't made up my mind who did it, I just want the truth".
Lack of details in evidence >>>>> MI5 did it.
Evidence presented >>>>>> MI5 faked evidence and then did it.
Lack of evidence for MI5 doing it >>>>> MI5 supressing evidence they did it
All presented under the innocence of "I haven't made up my mind who did it, I just want the truth".
Errr no...do I have to repeat myself!
The drills are suspicious, they`re not proof. I`ve never suggested that the drill on 7/7 is definitive evidence of an inside job. We can`t know exactly what effect the drill had until an investigation asks the right people. So don`t tell me that i`m claiming anything, i`m simply saying you, nor I can know.
The Du Menenezes shooting is equally suspicious. Why was an innocent man marked for death, the idea they thought he was a suicide bomber doesn`t wash with me.
Azrael23 said:Why though? Why do you find scenarios we see on repeat throughout history so hard to believe?
My points on 7/7 are,
Prior knowledge is evident in the warnings to certain individuals like Benji the slimeball. Not to mention the fact that for once david davis may be onto something, oh and michael meachers revelations on the war on terror.
Haroon Aswat was named as the supplier of the bombs, mastermind, call it what you will....yet when it was found that he was a british intelligence asset with a history of being helped to escape justice in the US and Zambia by MI6, his name disappeared from public discourse.
The point I raised about the number 30 bus is that it was the only bus rerouted after the events in the underground transpired, its CCTV was not operational even though its inspected 2-3 times a week as they get a nice juicy payment for keeping it operational (fair enough). It then transpires some random technicians spent 20 hrs on the bus before the attack. So these people who the depot had never seen before, spent 20 hrs on the bus before the attack supposedly carrying out the regular inspection of the CCTV....which then turns out not to be working on the day. Surely that should be investigated!
Just like 9/11 we have economic prior knowledge, this time in the form of short-selling of the pound in the run up to the attack.
Just like 9/11 we have a drill going on as the attack takes place. Don`t give me any "but he said it was on paper" lark...please...how does a drill work...on paper? It doesn`t, the scenario is on paper, the people in the control rooms, on the radios they aren`t on paper are they? There were 1000 employees involved. Well on paper anyway...
We have the suspicious nature of the Du Menezes shooting. The reason I`m suspicious (not sure of course) that it could tie into 7/7 is because he was an electrician, was he sent to check out the "power surge", did he see something he shouldn`t of? I know this particular point is based on conjecture but "the mark of an educated mind is to entertain an idea without accepting it", don`t be afraid of conjecture!
The witness accounts saying the explosions came from below the floor. One witness explicitly said there was no guy with a rucksack in the carriage he was sitting, the explosion came from beneath the floor, there was no one sitting there. Other witnesses on two of the three trains say the same thing. That makes me think.
Its also the question of who stands to gain from these attacks? Its only Blair and the police state smarm he`s somehow conjured.
The drills are suspicious, they`re not proof. I`ve never suggested that the drill on 7/7 is definitive evidence of an inside job. We can`t know exactly what effect the drill had until an investigation asks the right people. So don`t tell me that i`m claiming anything, i`m simply saying you, nor I can know.
The Du Menenezes shooting is equally suspicious. Why was an innocent man marked for death, the idea they thought he was a suicide bomber doesn`t wash with me.
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hiraethified
So you thought you'd just make up stuff instead, yes?Azrael23 said:
Except you're wrong of course. You'll find the answers to your clueless speculation here:
http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=372
Like most conspiraloons, you've shown yourself to be woefully ill-informed and unable to undertake even the most basic steps of research before firing off wild speculative yarns about exciting conspiracies.
It's a fucking joke.
Meanwhile, is anyone actually discussing:
Nope. We have to explain statistics to one lunatic who won't listen because they already know and video recording to another.
* For younger readers: the security services in the Six Counties have a long history of encouraging groups they label "terrorist" to assassinate members of other groups they label "terrorist".
This is documented for the former Royal Ulster Constabulary and for the Army "Forces Research Unit". It is not, to my knowledge, documented for MI5. But MI5 are documented as using Army recon units now.
It is unlikely that they've switched to such tactics yet. For one thing, they say they don't have the capacity to infiltrate "franchise terror" groups and this is entirely plausibe. But it does point to the possibility of a very, very messy situation in the UK in five years or so.
- The point I raised about how the report/narrative falsifies the history of "al Qaeda" by leaving out US involvement in setting it up?
- The point Bernie raised that many of the security operatives now working on possible future attacks will be ex-Northern Ireland - with all that implies*.
Nope. We have to explain statistics to one lunatic who won't listen because they already know and video recording to another.
* For younger readers: the security services in the Six Counties have a long history of encouraging groups they label "terrorist" to assassinate members of other groups they label "terrorist".
This is documented for the former Royal Ulster Constabulary and for the Army "Forces Research Unit". It is not, to my knowledge, documented for MI5. But MI5 are documented as using Army recon units now.
It is unlikely that they've switched to such tactics yet. For one thing, they say they don't have the capacity to infiltrate "franchise terror" groups and this is entirely plausibe. But it does point to the possibility of a very, very messy situation in the UK in five years or so.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Because it's the oposite of what David Ickle would say. Thus it's true.Azrael23 said:
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