The 2023 Russian Coup.

[quiet guy]

Paddy Power has Raymond Blanc at 3:1 to be next Wagner chief….

That's a typo it was meant to say ...next Wagner chef.

 

[emanymton]

He can’t have been that thick, he ran successful restaurants, that’s hard logistics.

I heard it was possible to track his contacts by the uptick in cases of food poisoning.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That's a typo it was meant to say ...next Wagner chef.

Coincidence?

https://www.cnn.com/travel/michel-roux-jr-closes-michelin-starred-le-gavroche-restaurant-for-better-work-life-balance

I think not…

 

[emanymton]

Don't think this particularly undermines that take; a weak king can still order a murder. Could even say it shows fear and an inability to leave him alive under control. Not that I have a clue either way, but as I say, not necessarily a strong look for the autumn season.

The strongest response would have been for the Russian state to have quickly taken control of the situation arrested him and put him on trial. Well apart from preventing it from happening at all.

Pretty much anything else is week.

 

[RD2003]

The strongest response would have been for the Russian state to have quickly taken control of the situation arrested him and put him on trial. Well apart from preventing it from happening at all.

Pretty much anything else is week.

It should be clear by now that the regime in Russia plays the long game. Or in this case the not all that long game, or so it seems.

 

[bimble]

why bother with the whole pretence of him being peacefully exiled next door? That’s the weird bit .

 

[emanymton]

It should be clear by now that the regime in Russia plays the long game. Or in this case the not all that long game, or so it seems.

Nope that is not clear at all.

 

[planetgeli]

why bother with the whole pretence of him being peacefully exiled next door? That’s the weird bit .

Theatre.

And that bit was a very short play. Even Caesar dies in Act 3.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

why bother with the whole pretence of him being peacefully exiled next door? That’s the weird bit .

Cos it took the mini-army he was in charge of and dispersed them.

 

[RD2003]

why bother with the whole pretence of him being peacefully exiled next door? That’s the weird bit .

Pretence has often played a major role in so-called Putinism.

'Moscow can feel like an oligarchy in the morning and a democracy in the afternoon, a monarchy for dinner and a totalitarian state by bedtime.'

The Hidden Author of Putinism

How Vladislav Surkov invented the new Russia

www.theatlantic.com

 

[The39thStep]

why bother with the whole pretence of him being peacefully exiled next door? That’s the weird bit .

Dish served cold . Anyway let’s not leap to conclusions we haven’t had the flight investigation report yet .

 

[tim]

I wasn't talking about his last moments, which may well have differed from his general attitude. In fact they almost certainly would have.

If he is indeed dead.

CONSPIRALOON ALERT!
CONSPIRALOON ALERT!

 

[RD2003]

CONSPIRALOON ALERT!
CONSPIRALOON ALERT!

Has his death been confirmed?

 

[bimble]

Has his death been confirmed?

who would you like to confirm it?

 

[dilute micro]

why bother with the whole pretence of him being peacefully exiled next door? That’s the weird bit .

Wagner have been the most effective part of the military and were very loyal to Prigozhin. Putin had to disarm them and break them up. Wagner is pretty much unable to do anything about this now.

 

[steeplejack]

 

[RD2003]

who would you like to confirm it?

Nobody in particular. But in between flitting between here and the news sites, I've seen nothing that definitively states he was on the plane. Which doesn't mean he wasn't.

 

[planetgeli]

Theatre

Pretence

Yes

Dish served cold .

More like lukewarm but yes

Cos it took the mini-army he was in charge of and dispersed them.

And this to an extent too.

But chopping off the head of the leader, in the absence of Novichok, was always going to be a prime objective.

 

[steeplejack]

Nobody in particular. But in between flitting between here and the news sites, I've seen nothing that definitively states he was on the plane. Which doesn't mean he wasn't.

This seems pretty definitive I’d say.

 

[emanymton]

Has his death been confirmed?

Unless you think he faked it to go into hiding, if he was alive you'd think he would have said so by now.

 

[RD2003]

Unless you think he faked it to go into hiding, if he was alive you think he would have said so by now.

All I mean is has it been confirmed for definite that he was on the plane. I simply don't know, as I haven' seen anything yet.

 

[steeplejack]

How long til a fake Prigozhin appears vowing to defend the er, revolution to the last bullet?

 

[Dogsauce]

Wagner always paid for things in cash, with the leadership team now charred and crispy the accounting for things won’t be simple. Quite likely that their mercenaries won’t get paid what’s owed to them, unless the state chips in to buy them off, which might be sensible.

Prigozhin was respected as a military leader even outside of Wagner, often appearing near the front and appearing a strong advocate for his men (whilst still sending thousands to die). His death will not go down well with some in the military.

 

[steeplejack]

All I mean is has it been confirmed for definite that he was on the plane. I simply don't know, as I haven' seen anything yet.

If his own people- Wagner media- are saying he’s dead, then…

 

[RD2003]

This seems pretty definitive I’d say.

This seems pretty definitive I’d say.

'Seemingly.' I think he probably was, but a Telegram channel, even his own, isn't necessarily the word.

They were, after all, telling the world that a coup was in motion. It wasn't.

 

[Raheem]

If his own people- Wagner media- are saying he’s dead, then…

...that must be what he's telling them to say.

 

[teqniq]

Yes folks this is actually a real tweet from the New York Post:


Source

 

[RD2003]

Wagner always paid for things in cash, with the leadership team now charred and crispy the accounting for things won’t be simple. Quite likely that their mercenaries won’t get paid what’s owed to them, unless the state chips in to buy them off, which might be sensible.

Prigozhin was respected as a military leader even outside of Wagner, often appearing near the front and appearing a strong advocate for his men (whilst still sending thousands to die). His death will not go down well with some in the military.

If it was a hit on Prigozhin, I suspect those responsible might have thought about all this.

 

[Dogsauce]

Unless you think he faked it to go into hiding, if he was alive you'd think he would have said so by now.

This would be a very elaborate way to fake death unless the state played a part, it’s not like he would be able to take command of an air defence battery to organise this.

It still might not be Putin behind this, there are separate factions in the military with grudges. We may never know.

 

[steeplejack]

Wagner always paid for things in cash, with the leadership team now charred and crispy the accounting for things won’t be simple. Quite likely that their mercenaries won’t get paid what’s owed to them, unless the state chips in to buy them off, which might be sensible.

Prigozhin was respected as a military leader even outside of Wagner, often appearing near the front and appearing a strong advocate for his men (whilst still sending thousands to die). His death will not go down well with some in the military.

In other news it was sneaked out a few minutes before Prigozhin’s unfortunate meeting with anti-aircraft fire that General Surovikin has been sacked.

Not clear if this means a P45 or taken to the local woods wearing the condemned man’s hessian headwear. No one has seen him alive since he was taken into custody.