The 2023 Russian Coup.
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Plumdaff
joy in people
They're doing this not least because they think the war isn't being pursued aggressively enough.
Whether they or anyone else will be in a position to continue it at any level of aggression in the coming weeks remains to be seen.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I think we will get a partial answer to that as it becomes evident how much resistance there is to the convoy progressing up the M4. The Russian army could probably stop it, but will they?
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
Ballsy escalation by Just Stop Oil tbf
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The Russian army hasn't, so far, done much to stop Wagner, and there's reports of at least some Russian troops joining the Wagner lot.
Sky is also saying that Russian bloggers are reporting Russian troops are leaving the frontline in Ukraine, to fight in Russia, but they didn't say if that would be for or against Wagner.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
It's so difficult to work out what's what in Russia that I take everything with a pinch of salt.
ETA: Rostov on Don? Sounds like Berwick on Tweed
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
I don't understand Russian but I trust Hanna Liubakova's translation of that clip. She's a liberal and I disagree with her on a number of things but she's decent imo.
And to your q - no, I don't think they do.
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PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
Finland managed it!
bimble
floofy
I dunno if that first bit’s true though or if it’s just the public pretext for whatever this coup is?
& the Wagner man will know the logistics well, as to 2nd bit.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
No don't think so, memory says WW2. Anyway, I'll look.
I think people are mostly bothered by their own material conditions and having a steady away OK life rather than political ideology. I think if the motivation for this has deeper roots than just Wagner being pissed off, and he has backing of powerful people wanting the war over and life to get back to being how it was then I think it might work? Or at least shift power enough for that even if the 'coup/whatever' fails as such then the next months will see plenty of changes in Russia.
T & P
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However depleted the Russian military might be, surely they would have little trouble in annihilating any column of vehicles travelling in the open air along a motorway if the will was there? They were still launching missile strikes on Ukraine a few hours ago. it feels to me as if the will isn’t there or orders are not being obeyed.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
If the momentum seems to be with Wagner, it will be a brave pilot who drops bombs on them knowing it might later lead to an encounter with a sledgehammer. People will be holding back out of fear.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sure they want them to surrender but also need the tanks and that
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Yet here we all are
Fidel Castro started out in the Sierra Maestra with 19 rebels, yet after just two years saw the ouster of a US-backed military regime.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I don’t think coup attempts do have to have popular support tbh. Russia has a fairly depoliticised society so I wouldn’t expect either Carnations down rifle barrels or pro Putin demonstrations . Wagner’s CEO doesn’t offer any political alternative , he’s made his money of our the system and if anything he wants to progress the war more effectively .
I wonder what his generals are thinking ?
bimble
floofy
Yep, that speech about how the corrupt politicians stole all the money that was supposed to be weapons & supplies for Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
This is a concern - lots of the extreme nationalist / right in Russia want ’decision making centres’ in Kyiv turned into rubble, taking out the whole city if needed.
This whole event doesn’t necessarily make things easier for Ukraine, the unpredictability may make it harder to defend against threats which become unplanned and erratic. Having said that, there may be some back channels with Wagner, which have been hinted at in recent times.
Flavour
hang the bankers
there 100% are and there is plenty of evidence for that. Wagner offered UA a deal in Bakhmut where if UA withdrew then Wagner would give them coordinates of RU positions -- this was in January
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
All leaders are scum and prizoghin will find that he's no more admired than shoigu. I'd not be surprised if the murderers and rapists in his ranks kill or ravish russians during this escapade
maomao
普費斯
That's because it's translated rather than transliterated. It meansd it's on the river Don and is Rostov Na Donu in Russian.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
From the circles Prigozhin has moved in for years I assume he's got some sense of how what he's doing will be received by them and their ilk though? If all there is is him and Wagner then he's fucked I think, but the air of panic in Moscow and lack of defences and silence from some quarters might suggest he has some either active backing or a lot of fence sitting until things become clearer about which way it's going to go?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's more Stratford on avon
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
And soon after nearly helped start a nuclear war.Yet here we all are
Fidel Castro started out in the Sierra Maestra with 19 rebels, yet after just two years saw the ouster of a US-backed military regime.
strung out
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bimble
floofy
Statement from Russian foreign ministry.. they sound like they’re properly pants-piss level scared, I think.
