The 2023 Russian Coup.

[Kaka Tim]

I agree, I think. A well-organised coup would have seen significant figures in Moscow and leading army and FSB figures already showing their hands and making demands on Putin. As far as reported, this doesn't seem to be happening.

If it's no more than the trumpted 25000 Wagnerists plus rumoured unresisting conscripts, this smacks more of an ill-planned putsch based on a whim.

Coups are by their nature chaotic and dynamic. We have no idea what planning has gone on or what may happen next. But it's all gone wagners way so far, rostov sized and on the brink of rolling into Moscow with barely a shot fired, meanwhile vlad has skidaddled to his bunker.
Nobody was predicting that 24 hours ago when this kicked off.
Who knows where we will be this time tomorrow?
Shades of the fall of caeucescaua. It's certainly clear that the Russian military who could have acted have done next to nothing to stop wagner.

 

[Flavour]

Go play on the Guardian comments or the YouTube comments of the Sky News livestream or something

Wagner chief's 24 hours of chaos in Russia

Wagner's mercenary boss threatened an armed rebellion but pulled back from marching on Moscow.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Santino]

Need to check with teuchter.

I didn't know you were a teuchterite. I thought this was an Orangutanian board.

 

[Spymaster]

Do we know if the Ukranians are taking full advantage and pouring it onto the fuckers elsewhere?

 

[gosub]

Moscow declared Monday a bank holiday,


That's all they need everyone fucking off to their dacha for a long weekend

 

[Flavour]

Do we know if the Ukranians are taking full advantage and pouring it onto the fuckers elsewhere?

Some modest advances towards Donetsk city but nothing massive (so far), no.

 

[strung out]

Do we know if the Ukranians are taking full advantage and pouring it onto the fuckers elsewhere?

I think they're waiting to see what weak points develop over the next few days, but I'm sure they'll try pushing somewhere soon.

It does seem to take a while for info to come out though. Ukraine took back some territory that has been held by Russia since 2014 a week ago, but have only just released the news.

 

[gosub]

Some modest advances towards Donetsk city but nothing massive (so far), no.

Got to hand it to the Russkis, their tactics have caught everyone off guard.

 

[LDC]

Rumours circulating that martial law will be declared in Russia, and that there's more people behind the coup than just Wagner.

 

[emanymton]

Do we know if the Ukranians are taking full advantage and pouring it onto the fuckers elsewhere?

I can't see it. I think things have moved too fast for them to respond to in any significant way yet.

 

[spitfire]

Rumours circulating that martial law will be declared in Russia, and that there's more people behind the coup than just Wagner.

The oligarchs want their lifestyles back.

 

[Ming]

'HOT DOGS IN EVERY HAND!!'

Wow! Russians sure know how to keep your interest. I was getting bored.

 

[Pickman's model]

glad i went to siberia in '18, looks like it'll be out of bounds for some time to come

 

[Idris2002]

When I was about 12 the elder brother in a family that lived round the corner on my estate was killed in Africa as a mercenary.

Good

 

[agricola]

What seems to me unanswered is what action wagner would take to Ukraine if they get rid of shoigu and gerasimov, let alone putin. There's no way that I can see Russia would go whoops my bad atm with likely punitive reparations - my bet is they'd look to be more effective than the last lot: e2a if it turns out so simple tho i would be surprised. lots of unhappiness - more than we've seen over the past year - may unfold

TBF the punitive reparations thing would not probably not have survived a diplomatic process anyway; if Ukraine and a post-Putin Russia came to terms Western sanctions being stood down and seized assets returned were always going to happen.

 

[Petcha]

Just catching up on this - so according to the net, Vlad has fled town and turned his plane's transponder's off right near his palace?

And according to Twitter, flight trackers showing oligarchs' private jets also show them legging it. Also massive traffic jams on the M4.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Some expert on BBC News, 'well it's a turnaround from 3 days to Kyiv, to less than 3 days to Moscow.'

 

[Dogsauce]

I wonder how long Prigozhin has supplies for.

It’s been suggested that while complaining about the lack of ammo, they were stockpiling it.

Also may be some truth to the rumours that they have been supplying Ukraine with the coordinates of Russian army HQs in recent weeks, removing some of the top brass.

 

[maomao]

Loads on Twitter saying army units have flipped but no names or places.

 

[JimW]

Any attacks still being made on Ukraine?

 

[Flavour]

There's been multiple reports of planes "that Putin has flown in" being described as "Putin's plane" flying to the East, to the North, blah blah. Don't give much credence to that stuff yet. Definitely some of the oligarchs and Muscovite rich are legging it tho

 

[petee]

The dog is concerned

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post of the year

 

[marty21]

Oh.

It could be that my view is coloured by the fact that earlier I was mansplaining, in a WhatsApp discussion with Mrs RD and her cousin, why this wasn't necessarily a good thing even for Ukraine fans like them.

Not a fan of Ukraine then?

 

[ska invita]

BBC have got some great footage of "Wagner inching towards Moscow"



They dont strike me as the most dangerous looking Wagner elements but those plastic bags could be lethal

 

[LDC]

Not a fan of Ukraine then?

I think it's pretty fair and sensible to think that while it's amusing to watch on some level and pretty wild politically atm, there's absolutely no guarantee or even likelihood that this will end well for Ukraine, or Russia, or the wider world.

 

[JimW]

BBC have got some great footage of "Wagner inching towards Moscow"

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They dont strike me as the most dangerous looking Wagner elements but those plastic bags could be dangerous

Clearly put some thought into their supplies

 

[Idris2002]

I dont think anyone knows how this will play out - Wagner could get squashed very quickly. Althernatively Putin might struggle to find troops (other than the chechyans) prepared to open fire on those they see as on their own side - and ordering them to do so may provoke a wider mutiny. It absolutely could be the end game for putin and/or the war in Ukraine- things like this can snowball very very quickly.
I dont think it will be something that will just blow over and then they can get back to reducing urlaine to rubble.
Civil war in Russia - and whatever bunch of cunts comes out on top - is going to be very grim though. Dont think we are going to see a nice colour revolution and a new cuddly russian regime waving rainbow flags any time soon.

Just emailed my Russian colleague asking if he's OK.

 

[chilango]

Marching on Moscow doesn't historically end well. But then there wasn't a motorway back then...

 

[Idris2002]

Just spotted the Russian working class

If that guy's representative, the Russian working knows what's still important.

 

[gosub]

Marching on Moscow doesn't historically end well. But then there wasn't a motorway back then...

Neither Hitler nor Napoleon could pop into the suburbs to see their nan