Taunt the rich

[gunneradt]

Although people claiming to be 'right wing' who spend times on leftish sites trying to taunt 'the enemy' also come across as a bit mental.

Do we need a taunt the poor thread with blue stripes on everything?

 

[William of Walworth]

Good stuff from sihhi on Jacob Rees-Mogg and other stuff, but on this

Jacob Rees Mogg is a self important prig, I am frankly amazed that any constituency would have selected him as their candidate let alone voted him in. What is the world coming to?

To answer this point sort of. It's a safe Tory seat. He has always been on the right of the Tory Party on monetarist grounds

... I've definitely seen safer Tory seats. North East Somerset used to be a Labour seat prior to boundary changes. Still a possibility it could become so again (source : Wiki) :

General Election 2010: North East Somerset

Conservative Jacob Rees-Mogg

21,130​

41.3​

+2.2​

Labour Dan Norris*

16,216​

31.7​

-7.0​

Liberal Democrat Gail Coleshill

11,433​

22.3​

+2.7​

UKIP Peter Sandell

1,754​

3.4​

+1.2​

Green Michael Jay

670​

1.3​

+1.3​

Majority​

4,914​

9.6%​

+62.6​

Turnout​

51,203​

76.0​

+4.5​

Conservative hold Swing +4.6

 

[DotCommunist]

Do we need a taunt the poor thread with blue stripes on everything?

it would be like white history month

anyway, given that the evidence against your favoured beast is now incontrovertible will you do the honourable thing and admit that you defended a child rapist or will you carry on regardless and hope nobody remembers how you leapt to the defense of someone who fucked kids?

 

[gunneradt]

it would be like white history month

anyway, given that the evidence against your favoured beast is now incontrovertible will you do the honourable thing and admit that you defended a child rapist or will you carry on regardless and hope nobody remembers how you leapt to the defense of someone who fucked kids?

I havent defended anyone

food banks anyone?

 

[cesare]

From taunting the rich to tatler then taunting the food banks. Fuck's sake.

 

[Frances Lengel]

I havent defended anyone

food banks anyone?

If Savile was still alive there'd be no need for food banks - Malnourished kids could grow sturdy and strong simply by drinking his spunk instead of their free school milk.

 

[gunneradt]

If Savile was still alive there'd be no need for food banks - Malnourished kids could grow sturdy and strong simply by drinking his spunk instead of their free school milk.

very true

 

[DotCommunist]

I havent defended anyone

food banks anyone?

oh but you have gunner, you've gone from comedy right wing troll to defender of rape and friend of child molestation. Its all there to see, despite your clever-clever attempts at sophistry.

 

[sunny jim]

Dont want to be depressing but I reckon the rich are winning the class war at the moment. Everything seems to be going their way and unless we get our shit together, we are fucked. Or even beyond fucked. Happy new year everybody.

 

[Tankus]

But isn't it the middle classes and the social rising wannabes who are now being reemed the most.?

After being given just a taste of the goodlife with deliberate ramping of the housing market and cheap credit by Gordon ,they are now having it turning to salt as the bills for that come in ?

 

[weepiper]

But isn't it the middle classes and the social rising wannabes who are now being reemed the most.?

no. I'm fucking sick of this 'squeezed middle' crap.

 

[cesare]

no. I'm fucking sick of this 'squeezed middle' crap.

Though squeezing the middle is more likely to result in revolutionary times. That's probably why they just say that's happening whilst actually squeezing the most oppressed.

 

[Firky]

Oohhh more voyeurism. I will have to have a proper look when I get onto a computer.

Any idea what undercrackers the Camerons use? I can imagine Dave's a jock strap sort of guy.

 

[DotCommunist]

I always had him down as an M&S Y's man

 

[sihhi]

I always had him down as an M&S Y's man

1. On Woman's Hour Cameron explained he preferred boxer shorts:

When the two Davids were asked the question towards the end of the programme, neither appeared in the least ruffled. "Boxers," said Cameron immediately. Davis, presumably because he felt the need to take an opposing position, thought for a moment and said, "Briefs." Perhaps he just paused to check.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/nov/11/2

2. There is a long-standing but understated Marks & Spencer-Conservative link, even in the 1930s when parts of the Conservative party called for a trade and partnership with (Nazi) Germany.

M&S fund Conservatives
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...Stuart-Rose-promotes-MandS-during-speech.html

So a scene at Cameron's birthday, 2 and a half years into coalition cuts:

the cake is a Marks and Spencer exclusive Colin the Caterpillar cake.

 

[ViolentPanda]

But isn't it the middle classes and the social rising wannabes who are now being reemed the most.?

Depends how you look at the figures, pretty much. If you take the bottom quarter of those who are deemed "middle class" by din't of income, then sure, you can claim that they're "hit hardest", but only if you ignore the 30% of the population whose circumstances have always been worse. That "squeezed middle" is only squeezed by dint of their own passivity and participation in their own mullering. Their parents cheered the crushing of the unions, now some of them are paying the price for that, and the concomitant loss of social solidarity.

After being given just a taste of the goodlife with deliberate ramping of the housing market and cheap credit by Gordon ,they are now having it turning to salt as the bills for that come in ?

Except that they're not really "paying the price" in anything like the way that the poor are. One of the benefits of being a member of the bourgeoisie is that one has the (assumed) position to be able to extract maximum usage of any network you belong to, and the social capital to negotiate with your (for example) mortgage-holder as a presumed equal, as opposed to being a supplicant. This means you can make things easier for yourself in a way that many of the proletariat cannot.

 

[ViolentPanda]

no. I'm fucking sick of this 'squeezed middle' crap.

It's a convenient myth constructed around the fact that the middle classes have, in the last 5-10 years, started to experience the same sort of employment insecurity and instability that the working class has had to always put up with.
The whining in the media we've had to thus endure has been out of all proportion to the actual degree of pain the "squeezed middle" are feeling. Unfortunately, because such stories resonate with the fears of journos, story editors etc in a way that tales of poor people suffering malnutrition etc do not, we can be sure we'll continue to hear more of this specious bullshit, and less about the wider suffering of a greater number of people.

Fuck 'em all with a traffic cone.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Though squeezing the middle is more likely to result in revolutionary times. That's probably why they just say that's happening whilst actually squeezing the most oppressed.

Yup.

 

[cesare]

Yup.

Last thing they can afford to have happen is an uprising on their hands. So they grind the worst-off further into the earth

 

[ViolentPanda]

Last thing they can afford to have happen is an uprising on their hands. So they grind the worst-off further into the earth

While pulling what is basically a bit of PR flim-flam on the bourgeoisie to let them know that the pols are "listening to them" and "taking on board their concerns". At our expense, obviously.

 

[sihhi]

It's a convenient myth constructed around the fact that the middle classes have, in the last 5-10 years, started to experience the same sort of employment insecurity and instability that the working class has had to always put up with.

I agree and would add, it's not the same type of insecurity and instability. Councils are using more and more middle-class consultants at the very same time that hours for standard front-desk council workers and ancillary workers are being slashed.

The whining in the media we've had to thus endure has been out of all proportion to the actual degree of pain the "squeezed middle" are feeling. Unfortunately, because such stories resonate with the fears of journos, story editors etc in a way that tales of poor people suffering malnutrition etc do not, we can be sure we'll continue to hear more of this specious bullshit, and less about the wider suffering of a greater number of people.

Do you have any experiences of the 1970s about this? I think it was similar last time. Lots of focus on 'narrowing differentials', how middle-class salaries didn't buy you a house in under 20 years like before, but mass unemployment and the re-emergence of malnutrition - even rickets in some Asian families in 1979 - before Thatcher - largely ignored.
It's behind a paywall now but Rosie Millard's article on the "Impoverished Professional" in 2005 was part of this as you rightly point out before the recent recession:

DEBT JUGGLING, THE NEW MIDDLE-CLASS ADDICTION
Rosie Millard owes £40,000 on her credit cards – being an Impoverished Professional has become a way of life, she says
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1551813,00.html
… On paper, my husband and I are what is known in polite parlance as “comfortably off”. In reality, we have no money. Anything that comes into Chez Millard goes out pretty much immediately on debt repayment.
That, and paying the nanny so we can both go out to work and earn more money. For more debt repayment. An Impoverished Professional, I call myself. And there are plenty of us out there.
My voyage into debt started, as these things do, with an almost unnoticeable, but incremental, downward curve. After the wedding (paid for by my father), we bought a house. “Extend yourselves as much as you can,” advised our friends. … A couple of years down the line, when we had two nippers in tow, the value of the house had gone up, a lot. We borrowed against the booming equity in our home and bought a couple of flats, which we let. Avid readers of The Sunday Times may know thus was created a penchant for buy to let, which can make you quite a nice income. On paper.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I agree and would add, it's not the same type of insecurity and instability. Councils are using more and more middle-class consultants at the very same time that hours for standard front-desk council workers and ancillary workers are being slashed.

Unfortunately true.

Do you have any experiences of the 1970s about this? I think it was similar last time. Lots of focus on 'narrowing differentials', how middle-class salaries didn't buy you a house in under 20 years like before, but mass unemployment and the re-emergence of malnutrition - even rickets in some Asian families in 1979 - before Thatcher - largely ignored.

In my own experience although the same factors were in play, they were less noticeable. This may be largely due to the fact that communities back then were more "mono-class" than now, except (somewhat ironically) on the council estates. I think it may have been not so much "ignored" as not taken to be as relevant an issue, even for the left.

It's behind a paywall now but Rosie Millard's article on the "Impoverished Professional" in 2005 was part of this as you rightly point out before the recent recession:

That makes my knuckles itch.
That article is the inverse of every poorly-made argument I've ever heard middle-class journalist vomit out about how poverty is relative. One rule for them, another for us.

 

[sihhi]

In my own experience although the same factors were in play, they were less noticeable. This may be largely due to the fact that communities back then were more "mono-class" than now, except (somewhat ironically) on the council estates. I think it may have been not so much "ignored" as not taken to be as relevant an issue, even for the left.

Probably needs another thread.

That makes my knuckles itch. That article is the inverse of every poorly-made argument I've ever heard middle-class journalist vomit out about how poverty is relative. One rule for them, another for us.

Interestingly, Rosie Millard is still in employment as an arts and housing expert for the Daily Telegraph:

Rosie Millard investigates the home-buying market in north London and and finds out about property hot-spots, gentrification and hipsterfication.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsore...es/9570391/homebuyers-guide-video-london.html

An anonymous letter asks: What is your advice on best locations that would guarantee good rental?
Rosie Millard responds:

If you are buying to let, check it is near some decent transport links. London is much bigger than Paris and some areas are woefully thin on the ground for Tube or train access. It also cannot be a dump. There is too much nice stock on the market for renters to be satisfied with a fleapit. Good rental returns depend on supply and demand; you might get a great return in locations such as Slough which is near Heathrow, or Croydon, which has its own business infrastructure.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsore...53/buy-to-let-studio-flat-london.html[/quote]


If you look at her twitter you can find out she is on an India holiday with her family (4 children+mum+dad):
https://twitter.com/Rosiemillard

https://twitter.com/Rosiemillard/status/284691293047750659

So..no phone access still BUT am riding on an elephant tomoz. Hilarious. Probably quite politically incorrect too...

Our transport in Rajasthan...rather grumpy and with very flat feet... http://sdrv.ms/RZHY0c

On the 'Diana seat' ! http://sdrv.ms/10hkE0d

It appears to cover several Indian states

If you go on her blog you find out how her older children go to St. Marylebone School - an all girls specialist academy (Blair-converted), the old Marylebone Girls Grammar School, before the reforms of the 70s. It is the City of Westminster's most subscribed state school with a significant specialism-selection segment, also Britain's 24th highest exam-performing school of any type.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...659/Englands-most-oversubscribed-schools.html

And you see Summer 2012, a family trip to Berlin

So here we all are in Berlin. Well, not Mr Millard. But I am here, and my parents are here, and the St Marylebone High School Symphony Orchestra is here, playing a selection of wonderful stuff – Handel, Elgar, Bernstein, Mozart….its very moving. I’m sitting in the rebuilt nave of a bombed out church in central Berlin hearing these peerless pieces and watching my daughter playing the cello, with my 80-something parents who have never been to Berlin before and have always wanted to..its good.
Phoebe, amazingly, isn’t covered with embarrassment about this. She’s staying in a hostel and appreciated the fact I brought her the contents of my minibar last night (the chocolate sort, not the boozy sort). She DID resist the idea of coming on a school orchestra trip at first but when all her friends signed up, she calmed down a bit.. I said , in my most Helicopterish fashion “There is NO POINT being a Music Scholar and playing an orchestral instrument if you don’t go on these trips.” (hear the voice of a person who has never played an orchestral instrument and never been on such a trip…) Anyway, Berlin…what’s not to like? Apart from perhaps the hostel.

http://helicoptermum.com/2012/07/11/the-school-trip-abroad-and-why-etc/
summer 2012 a trip to Ireland and Cornwall

So, while we’ve rented out our house during the Olympics, so a group of Chinese ad execs can enjoy sport at its highest level, we’ve had to be creative about our holidays.
It’s been no problem however especially the first week where we were in Galway. “Come and stay” said our dear friends K and M. “The Galway Races are on!” ... Sadly, we were off to Cornwall the next day

http://helicoptermum.com/2012/08/07/teaching-the-kids-to-bet-on-the-horses/
Christmas 2011

Last year, we went camping in the Sahara.

http://helicoptermum.com/2012/11/06/get-away-for-christmas-you-know-it-makes-sense/
This is the view from their home:

Other pictures of her facing dangerous levels of poverty available here of a week of her in 2012: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/technology/nokia-lumia/9678411/rosie-millard-nokia-lumia.html

 

[junglevip]

An idea is to get a job as a carer in an old peoples home where there is loads of tories, then give them a good old slapping. You know like what police do to protesters

 

[junglevip]

Its tory policy to pick on the most vulnerable, so participants might even get a job in a think tank or even knighted

 

[cesare]

Can't say that slapping old people in a rest home appeals to me, Tories or not.

 

[junglevip]

Can't say that slapping old people in a rest home appeals to me, Tories or not.

Why not? Its fun! Besides which, they love it

Awaits

 

[Mungy]

Can't say that slapping old people in a rest home appeals to me, Tories or not.

therein lies the problem - when we go to their level we almost always become the things we hate

 

[cesare]

therein lies the problem - when we go to their level we almost always become the things we hate

Thatcher doesn't count though.

 

[junglevip]

It would make some good headlines in the fail though. I decent hoax then