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Have they split yet.
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SWP split?
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Some big names in that list - people with long organisational experience who simply won't just walk away:
Neil Faulkner
Elaine Graham-Leigh
Chris Nineham
John Rees
Guy Taylor
As for the letter:
Unbelievable - did they wander around with their eyes closed for the last few decades? No, they lost - you can be sure they wouldn't be complaining about the internal culture that they helped nurture themselves if they had won.
Neil Faulkner
Elaine Graham-Leigh
Chris Nineham
John Rees
Guy Taylor
As for the letter:
Unbelievable - did they wander around with their eyes closed for the last few decades? No, they lost - you can be sure they wouldn't be complaining about the internal culture that they helped nurture themselves if they had won.
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discokermit
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Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Not exactly on the same scale, but the prominent SP blogger "A Very Public Sociologist" has also split to join Labour:
http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/
http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/
Fedayn
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
knew you daren't.
the saddest thing is, you probably are so dumb you actually think that that was a clever comment!
I think butchers has neatly pointed out some of your analytical failings on this thread.
Fedayn
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What fight? Internal democracy in the SWP doesn't exist, Smith made it clear what would happen....
Fedayn
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Exactly..... Though of course reading their letter you'd think it only happened over the recent few months...
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
now thatis actually far more surprising
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
was obvious from his criticisms of TUSC that all was not well - surprised to see him go straight over though.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I don't actually think that this is fair. They had to wait their nine months sitting on their hands, doing as they were told, according to SWP rules. They they were allowed a brief period in which they could "have the fight" and they had a go at it. They did after all found the only faction the SWP has seen since it wasn't yet the SWP. Now they were facing another nine months of shutting up and doing as they were told.
By the standards of the SWP, by the organisational approach they believe in, that means they did have the political fight. I'm no fan of any of these people, but by their deluded standards they did what they were supposed to in an exemplary way.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
63 plus any recruits they can get from the SWP's periphery. At most 70 as a starting number.
That's smack bang in between the AWL and Workers Power basically. Enough to be permanently viable and they certainly have a lot of people with organisational experience. Thing is though, groups that size don't normally manage much in the way of high profile campaigning - the ones that last for a while normally take the view that it's beyond their capacity. It will be interesting to see how possible it is to run a little group with a highly movementist orientation in the medium term.
It will also be interesting to see who comes sniffing around, trying to get into their political knickers. My money is on Socialist Resistance, despite the recent bad blood, being the keenest to try it on.
That's smack bang in between the AWL and Workers Power basically. Enough to be permanently viable and they certainly have a lot of people with organisational experience. Thing is though, groups that size don't normally manage much in the way of high profile campaigning - the ones that last for a while normally take the view that it's beyond their capacity. It will be interesting to see how possible it is to run a little group with a highly movementist orientation in the medium term.
It will also be interesting to see who comes sniffing around, trying to get into their political knickers. My money is on Socialist Resistance, despite the recent bad blood, being the keenest to try it on.
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articul8
Dishonest sociopath
they do have the STW leadership (at present) which is a hell of a lot more than either AWL or WP have. But whether Smith will mobilise the SWP to dislodge them is an open question.
nightbreed
Im Bored
Well Nigel
They might want to join up with Phil
Apparently I have heard from other SPers that he is" been going that way for a long time, coming from a sect back ground"
Not been doing your educating very well havent you?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. Yes, a member of the Socialist Party resigned to join Labour. Such things happen - in an organisation of above a dozen or so, people will sometimes change their minds about things. In Phil's case he has come to the conclusion that socialists should go back into the Labour Party. I think he's very wrong on that, but if that's what he thinks then that's where he should go. Time will tell who is right.
Phil isn't, to my knowledge, claiming that he was mistreated - far from it. He has a different political perspective.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
more like a foregone conclusion. Smith walked straight into the carcrash of banning the convener of stw from speaking at a stw meeting there is no way that a controll freak like Martin 'the Hutt' Smith will not allow LG to stay in her position for any longer than he has to.
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