SWP expulsions and squabbles
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Scribbling S
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On a jollier note, does create the opportunity for a Christmas "Name the Baby" competition , with a prize for renaming the new group . I think "Socialism from Below" would be good, as the name isn't much in use, but would be a kind of attempt to snatch the "best" bits off the SWP on the way out. Hope a new organisation can get going with some minimum level of activity to win over waverers, rather than be caught in a complete inward looking "reevaluation"
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it's also good because the AWL hate it - http://www.workersliberty.org/node/1206
Which names did you expect to see?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
krink
I'll do it this afternoon
I think i know who you mean
spanky will know who it is. i won't name him as that wouldn't be fair - mind, the person in question wouldn't do the same for anyone else.
Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
Not surprised by Mike G's absence as he and Megan T signed the middle-of-the-roaders' declaration. However, Hannah D is a bit surprising as, following her highly critical contribution to IB2, it seemed difficult for her to stay. The sectarians now in control certainly won't give her an easy time of it.
KeeperofDragons
Crazy dragon lady
My resignation email to CK was short & to the point. Just asked him to remove me from the mailing list as I am no longer a member.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Which poses the question just how bad have you got to be for the SWP to turn you down?
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
There are a number of people who still haven't made their minds up yet, some may not want to put their name to that particular statement, and others may simply want to leave quietly without having their name all over the internet.
He's a lunatic who sets out with the aim of working with everyone but then falls out with everyone involved.
He's criticising all those leaving right now
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Is it too late for PD to headhunt him?
rekil
to menny cranks
"The People's Lunatic"
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Lunar c-for-commissar
That statement only went out for signatures on Saturday evening. Not the best time for collecting names just before the holidays. Some comrades are away, others are planning to resign at report back meetings in early January. The remarkable thing is that half the faction signed in under 48 hours. The list will be updated regularly. My estimate is that at least 180 have resigned from the SWP in the last two weeks.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
I know a couple who were expelled in the late 90s, and who have. Remained loyal ever since, they have been pretty quiet over all this on Facebook, perhaps a new party application is on its way?
It's a good number and I'm really quite excited to see where this group will go and what they can build. Was just musing aloud really that a couple of people I had hoped to see there aren't there (yet)- on a personal level it's weird to think about those still in, it's baffling.
So, in total since the start of the year- 500 left? More?
Does he live in Sunderland?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Paulo¿
A comment on the current SWP crisis by a leading member of the Dutch International Socialists - an IST group:
"I have been (and still am) a member of the Dutch sister-organization of the SWP for the past 18 years. Since 1998, I have visited (and sometimes spoken at) its yearly Marxism event, have contributed frequently to its publications, and have participated in a large number of meetings organized by this party, which in the spirit of internationalism I considered as my own. I owe much of my political education to people like Tony Cliff, Paul Foot, Duncan Hallas, and Chris Harman, all of whom I had the privilege to observe up-close, speaking and arguing. As a member of the leadership of the Dutch IS for almost 15 years upto January 2013, I have had frequent contact with many members of the SWP's changing CC for the same period, sometimes (as is only natural) disagreeing about parts of their political analysis, but on a whole very much sharing the same positions and learning a lot from their experience. For all of those reasons, the events of the past year have been extremely dishartening to me. As many other revolutionary socialists inside and outside the IST, I have watched in complete horror at the unprincipled way in which the current SWP leadership handled the unfolding crisis within the party. Arguing about this with supporters of the SWP majority (including the CC), especially around my resignation in protest from a secretarial job in the IST after the special conference last March, left me thoroughly disappointed in a number of comrades whose intellectual capacities and political integrity I had always valued very highly, and even more convinced about the correctness of the analysis of my comrades in the opposition. I know there is still a (fastly declining) number of comrades critical of the actions of the CC who choose to remain and work inside the SWP, and I respect their choice. But if I had been based in the UK over the past year, my name would have been on this list. I am looking forward to working with comrades like ..., and many others on this list in the future. I am in full solidarity with them. Their principled stance over the past year has been an inspiration to me, and I wish them well in their political ventures of the coming period."
"I have been (and still am) a member of the Dutch sister-organization of the SWP for the past 18 years. Since 1998, I have visited (and sometimes spoken at) its yearly Marxism event, have contributed frequently to its publications, and have participated in a large number of meetings organized by this party, which in the spirit of internationalism I considered as my own. I owe much of my political education to people like Tony Cliff, Paul Foot, Duncan Hallas, and Chris Harman, all of whom I had the privilege to observe up-close, speaking and arguing. As a member of the leadership of the Dutch IS for almost 15 years upto January 2013, I have had frequent contact with many members of the SWP's changing CC for the same period, sometimes (as is only natural) disagreeing about parts of their political analysis, but on a whole very much sharing the same positions and learning a lot from their experience. For all of those reasons, the events of the past year have been extremely dishartening to me. As many other revolutionary socialists inside and outside the IST, I have watched in complete horror at the unprincipled way in which the current SWP leadership handled the unfolding crisis within the party. Arguing about this with supporters of the SWP majority (including the CC), especially around my resignation in protest from a secretarial job in the IST after the special conference last March, left me thoroughly disappointed in a number of comrades whose intellectual capacities and political integrity I had always valued very highly, and even more convinced about the correctness of the analysis of my comrades in the opposition. I know there is still a (fastly declining) number of comrades critical of the actions of the CC who choose to remain and work inside the SWP, and I respect their choice. But if I had been based in the UK over the past year, my name would have been on this list. I am looking forward to working with comrades like ..., and many others on this list in the future. I am in full solidarity with them. Their principled stance over the past year has been an inspiration to me, and I wish them well in their political ventures of the coming period."
Can't be more than 1-200?
And they seem to be quite disorganised as well
(Having said that they don't seem to practice standard trot recruitment tactics either)
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
They may think so, but Rees and German are pretty well despised
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
read that as 'diagnosed'
discokermit
Well-Known Member
sorry s, was visiting my brother.
things seem to have moved on since the bolshie meltdown though, so i'm not sure of the value of it anyway.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Much less than that I think. 60-80 odd
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