Perceived fears? Hospital infections have been rampant. I have a colleague whose bariatric surgery was cancelled but he's in at least three high risk groups (morbidly obese, diabetic and copd) and would be a goner if he got it. Properly equipped hospitals with proper PPE and proper infection control would be the way to stop hospital infections, not sending already sick people into known centres of infection.
That still represents a relative success compared to many other countries, including Sweden and the UK - it's 37% of a relatively low number.
Right, but what if this goes on for another 2 years? Or more? The point is that Sweden may not have this wrong. If there are secondary/tertiary waves they could be better placed in the future because of the way they've dealt with it now because they've developed better immunity/resistance.
It's got fuck all to do with whether kids can get it and everything to do with whether they can spread it. Have you met any children? The little ones especially are unparalleled as a vector for disease and the bigger ones aren't much better.
We don't know the infection rates. Being in a better position for a second wave in that sense depends entirely on how many people have had it. There are models suggesting both extremes but if it's under ten percent you're going to need a few more waves to build an advantage. Won't give much edge in second or third waves.
Yes, sure. I've heard more than one parent expressing different views, though, essentially irrational worries. The little ones have been back for weeks now in Denmark. Many Danes didn't want that to happen at the time, but it's been ok.
That's a rather imprecise claim. Would be nice if you could give some detail rather than assuming I have prior knowledge of or half an hour spare to read about Denmark.
So 300 rather than 200? Ok. Under 3,000 total deaths in the under-60s is remarkable to me for how low it is as a figure that includes a period when the infection level was way higher than it is now, particularly as it includes a large number of people with serious underlying conditions. I do think some of the risk-evaluation going on here is a bit off. Around that number of people die in road accidents every year, but that doesn't stop people from driving.
The precision wrt 'it's been ok' would come from the estimated R-value remaining under 1, which it has. As long as that happens, tomorrow will be better than today.
Cheers. My dark'n'stormy fuelled googling yesterday failed to come up with anything on ms savage, except for some rather bland liberal statements. Greed and/or sensationalism might fit her bill, rather than naivity, stupidity or ideology. Was rather defensive on twitter when challenged about the 'right wing critic' 'we spoke to him in his capacity as a doctor...'
And the precision with regards to 'little ones have been back for weeks now'? What ages? What level of participation? How many weeks? If it's less than four then you won't have seen much effect on the R number, especially when you're dealing with a vector that has the highest resistance to the symptoms of the disease itself.
Well exactly. It's as if the government have mismanaged the lockdown to the point where people just think 'fuck it'. I don't want a lockdown forever. I want a contact tracing system that works because it wasn't given to Cummings' mate to make a few quid out of. I want a health system that works and I'd like a coherent plan for getting everyone back to work and school.
It would be nice if we could establish once and for all that herd immunity vs lockdown forever is a false dichotomy. It seems as if everyone who's argued against immediate lifting of the lockdown has been told they must want lockdown forever. They're not the only two choices and neither is the best response to the problem.
