UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I suspect what's already happening with teenagers. They're far likely to vape then smoke.
Sunak wants to phase out legal smoking
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I suspect what's already happening with teenagers. They're far likely to vape then smoke.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Because he’s old. #GeezerPunctuation #DistanceIsAnInvertedComma
Silas Loom
Man with glasses
It’s only getting through because New New Labour support it wholeheartedly, of course.
When you can’t buy fags under 25, who is going to be buying the 15 year-olds their cigarettes? The reason that 15 years-olds can get them at the moment is largely because they know other young people that are just a little bit older, who are willing to buy the cigarettes on their behalf. It will inevitably become much harder for children to get hold of cigarettes as the minimum age increases.
It’s a mistake to think of this kind of policy as some kind of cliff-edge that 100% stops all undesired behaviour. Instead, it just makes the general environment more and more unacceptable to smoking, so that it gradually becomes phased out through a hundred little socioeconomic impacts.
Silas Loom
Man with glasses
Fair, there’s usually smoke and mirrors in HMG savings announcements. But stopping people from dying horribly well before retirement age is definitely a net benefit for HMT, even if the beneficiaries cost the NHS extra by surviving for longer.
Silas Loom
Man with glasses
Heroin importers and distributors really should see the bigger picture and offer directorships and public affairs consulting contracts to MPs out of their budget for bribing bent coppers.
Silas Loom
Man with glasses
We should not do this.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That makes me wonder if Sunak's advisers might also have sold the policy on the basis that it offers some counter to the idea of legalising weed.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
Imagine the irony — weed gets legalised but young people can no longer buy loose leaf tobacco to roll a joint with.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I've worked with parents who will do so, although luckily I accept that's unusual. Plus there will always be dodgy folk who are happy to make a small amount doing so.
I do take your point and mine about 30 years asking us to go the shop was slightly light hearted. However whilst nictotine addiction is awful, there's something that makes me quite uncomfortable allowing adults of a certain age to do something, whilst others can't, even if it is for their own good.
Silas Loom
Man with glasses
A lobbying victory for Big Bong.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Well quite. Who would have thought 20 years ago the US would be further ahead then us when it came to legalised cannabis?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Take it you never went to an Amsterdam coffee shop after they banned indoor tobacco smoking then? That's exactly what happened there.
Silas Loom
Man with glasses
Legalised cannabis manifests as gummies, anyway.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
That's how I consume these days, don't smoke anything at all.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Or vape pens, vaporisere, pipes etc.
In the US it's not that common to use it with tobacco.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Nobody buys ciggies legally (in fact, given the price of them nobody can afford to buy them legally). In terms of vaping there is already a massive black market which will quickly and effectively fill any void created by government bans/taxes on vaping.
Banning the regulated market is therefore both a) stupid in a lost tax revenue sense and b) spectacularly counterproductive as it is guaranteed only to drive the market further towards the unregulated sector. The idea that people will pack up - when they can get what they want in the local pub or shop - because the government tell them to is the type of dumb logic only the British political class possesses.
So, in reality, it’s giving it too much credit to describe it as performative bollocks, I prefer performative shite.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Whatever the government 'saves' they then blow it on a fighter plane or aircraft carrier... or just give it to their mates via a VIP lane, the cunts
Silas Loom
Man with glasses
The police would harass shopkeepers, not smokers. Minority ethnic groups are probably overrepresented in retail microbusinesses, to be fair.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You think young people will stop because the government says so? Remember when you were young? What would you have done? Personally the more illegal it was the more I wanted to try it/do it.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
With the price they'll cost they can save their money for THC gummies and DMT vapes.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
I would have probably bought - or sold - dodgy imported fags and smoked anyway, though I'm not sure I would have persevered with the habit when I was 14 if there hadn't been a nearby shopkeeper who sold singles.
Hopefully it's on the way out anyway - as far I understand it, most young people already see smoking actual tobacco as something reserved for gross, stupid old people
Young people don’t want to smoke out of some kind of innate genetic impulse. It’s a social norm associated with positive imagery. If nobody smoked, 13 year-olds wouldn’t move heaven and earth to seek out one of these precious fags that their grandparents go on about. Nobody is buying snuff any more, are they?
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