Braverman is acting outside of current government policy, hence her actions being illegal. Labour criticism of government actions and policy that I've seen recently have all been about policy being poorly or illegally administered, poor value for money, etc etc. The actual policies they don't have much of a problem with.
Suella Braverman's time is up.
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Indeed.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Not that we shouldnt waste time caring about it, but be prepared for disappointment if you think Labour will realistically pursue any less harsh a policy in power.
bimble
floofy
I'm prepared. Less crazy less theatrical less Rwanda and Invasion and wave machines would be better than this. Not functionally maybe but day to day for actual people.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Without any move left, which I cant realistically see now, it won't be much different with Labour in power. So, caring about it/fighting it will have to happen despite Labour imo.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Labour are making a virtue of saying they’d do what the Tories want to do but do it competently. I can’t be alone in thinking that’s really not the big plus they think it is.
I want to see the Tories go. But I can’t summon up much enthusiasm for Starmer’s Labour.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
hmm trying to save her job by doubling down on the racist bullshittery
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Labour’s immigration policy has been racist at least since Jack Straw was Home Secretary.
bimble
floofy
I'm not excited about them one bit either. This Home Secretary though, she's the first time i've been frightened by a very stupid person. She knows who her audience is, thats why she did a good long mournful face when saying about how the terrorist is dead.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I know. Its grim all round.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Yep.
bimble
floofy
You made any new spotify playlists lately? I could do with one.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Not recently but it’s a good call.
bimble
floofy
I had a small google today to see if i could find any country at any time on record that did not have a racist immigration policy, and it seemed like a nope. Even in early 1900s america.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
you're forgetting the Commonwealth Immigrants Act of 1968.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
The UK was actually pretty lax until the above mentioned Act. Temporary laws and registration had to be followed, but even the 1905 Aliens Act was pretty soft and easily evaded.
Russia is pretty lax these days too. For some reason people dont seem keen to move there.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I did say “at least”. Perhaps I should have said “in recent decades”. But yes, Labour governments have little to crow about.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
"We want our borders back" was the Brexit creed and to the minds of the rabid and the obsessed, that's simply not happened. So even though they've been responsible for twelve years you can bet the Tories will now push "We're hard-line, Labour are open door."
bimble
floofy
How do you define 'pretty lax'? Maybe we are pretty lax now?
Its always been a political balancing act hasnt it, even when they had to decide what to do with jews in the 30s, better just take the children and make a big fuss about how generous that was.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
They put some asylum seekers in hotels owned by the Britannia chain, aka the worst hotel chain in the country, for the ninth year running.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
When I hear her say 'patriotic' I hear dog whistle for racist.She is working to protect 'the Law Abiding Patriotic Majority of British people' form these migrants. I don't think she means me .
It's like a really crap Farage tribute act, but that's the conservative party since about 2015 isnt it.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
The BBC giving him a platform, giving him so much airtime is partly what got us into this mess in the first place!
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Yes, she was impressive.
The thought crossed my mind that Cooper would have a better chance of leading Labour to victory in the next general election than the charisma-free policy vacuum Starmer.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Braverman pretty much said words to the effect of that last bit in one of her responses to questions after her statement to the House.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Cooper may not be a headbanger like Braverman, but heres what she had to say in 2014 about immigration and policy... Yvette Cooper’s immigration speech – full text – LabourList
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Pretty lax was being asked if you were a lunatic, or had committed a crime in your native land and had - the important bit - the means to support yourself. I was aimed at poor Jews,not Jews per so (tho the two were clearly intertwined). You were just asked too, didn't really have to prove anything.
We shouldn't be amalgamating asylum and immigration though (going back to the more general discussion around Labour). There'll certainly be nothing more than a gnats fart between Labour & the Tories general immigration plans (unless Braverman gets her way, which would generally go against Sunak & Johnson's previous policies), the Tory asylum laws are so evil and, as someone said above, completely bar legal routes from all but about three countries, that Labour will have to amend them. And just stopping the utterly inhumane treatment of asylum seekers that goes on now would at least be...humane.
not a trot
Well-Known Member
I'm more frightened by the fact that millions in this country are lapping all this shit up.
bimble
floofy
That's why she's scary and that's why she's there.
Not to actually do a job accomplish anything but as a conduit for that audience, which is their best hope at next GE.
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