STOP THE WAR COALITION MEETING OXFORD. 19/04/2022
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emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
You know at one point the idea of Russia joining NATO was brought up.
It all makes sense now, Russia secrerly is part of NATO.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Umm killing every member of the Azov battalion would be a war crime ffs, they were involved in the defence Mariupol, not all of them or even the majority are nazis these days. Nobody is saying that these are nice guys but it has changed quite a lot from its origins if what's said in this video is accurate (I'm not sure about all of it)
There's some real scum fighting on the Ukrainian side but it's not remotely equivalent to the destruction by the Russian army and state, and most of those people are going to be foreign fighters or groups like the Misanthropic Division who are mostly active in Western Ukraine
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Hang on a minute, there was limited support for separatism in the Donbas region before the outbreak of the Russian created war, their excuse that Russian speakers in the Donbas were being persecuted or even subjected to "genocide" were just that, an excuse and totally false.
There wouldn't have been an going battle in Donbas if it wasn't for the Russians, and you blame the Ukrainian government.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
Do you honestly believe that the AZOV division who have their HQ and interrogation facilities in the area were not persecuting any Russian speakers? Let’s remember that Ukraine was described as a borderline democracy as late as 2019 because of corruption and human rights violations. If the Ukrainian government decide to fight to take back control of Donbas or crimea then the war will rage for much longer and many more atrocities on both sides will occur. If the likely outcome is to be an acceptable compromise on the Donbas etc then surely sooner rather than later is better for the people on both sides.Hang on a minute, there was limited support for separatism in the Donbas region before the outbreak of the Russian created war, their excuse that Russian speakers in the Donbas were being persecuted or even subjected to "genocide" were just that, an excuse and totally false.
There wouldn't have been an going battle in Donbas if it wasn't for the Russians, and you blame the Ukrainian government.
I didn’t mention genocide nor did I blame the Ukrainian government for starting it, and I support the calls for immediate ceasefire, withdrawal of Russian troops and a negotiated agreement on the disputed territories.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I have no idea, it's possible, do you have a reliable source to back up that they have been persecuting ordinary Russian speakers, rather than just the Russian backed rebels? Remember AZOV was only formed as a response to the war Russia started in Donbas back in 2014, if it wasn't for Russia they wouldn't exist.
If Russia pulls back to the borders before this latest invasion, that could be an acceptable compromise, but you do realise Russia wants all of Donbas, and not just the around 30% it had control over before? Plus a land corridor between Donbas & Crimea, and possibly all the south of Ukraine, cutting them off from the Black Sea.
Which parts do you think Ukraine should give up to the aggressors, and do you really think the Russians wouldn't return for another land grab a few more years down the line?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
This. We can tell this as a history of neo-liberalism, we can highlight the impact of Nato expansion. We can - and should - avoid supporting states in this and any conflict. But ultimately, in terms of the here and now, the reality of mass murder, this is where we are at. The idiotic Trot/Stalinist/Assadist ragtag, with all their 'whilst we... yeah but...' and the rest can fuck right off.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
* eyebrow raises very sharply indeed *
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I had missed that, that's well dodgy.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Maybe this thread should just be merged with this one:
https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/the-pro-putin-left.377778/
Pro-Putin Stop the War patron George Galloway is being discussed over there.
https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/the-pro-putin-left.377778/
Pro-Putin Stop the War patron George Galloway is being discussed over there.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Just A Reminder For Anyone who Is Interested That Stop The War Coalition Meeting, In Oxford, Will Be Tomorrow @ Oxford Town Hall, St. Aldates, Oxford,There Will Be A Stop The War Coalition Meeting Tuesday 19th April, Town Hall, St. Aldates, Oxford At 7pm!
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Oxford StWC Meeting: No to War in Ukraine!
www.stopwar.org.uk
OX1 1BX; 7-9pm
Chair; Adam Walker Socialist Party/CWI
Speakers: Chris Nineham & Sophie Bolt (Vice Chair C.N.D.)
Oxford StWC Meeting: No to War in Ukraine!
www.stopwar.org.uk
Oxford StWC Meeting: No to War in Ukraine!
www.stopwar.org.uk
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
is this the sophie bolt from the labour party?Just A Reminder For Anyone who Is Interested That Stop The War Coalition Meeting, In Oxford, Will Be Tomorrow @ Oxford Town Hall, St. Aldates, Oxford,
OX1 1BX; 7-9pm
Chair; Adam Walker Socialist Party/CWI
Speakers: Chris Nineham & Sophie Bolt (Vice Chair C.N.D.)
Oxford StWC Meeting: No to War in Ukraine!
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
<checks diary>
Oh, I am washing my hair, that's handy.
Oh, I am washing my hair, that's handy.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Looks similar?
Sophie Bolt -
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Women lead the way for peace, our voices are needed now more than ever – Sophie Bolt, CND #IWD2022 - Labour Outlook
"Women are needed now more than ever to help build unity with all those calling for peace in the Ukraine, in Russia and across the world." By Sophie Bolt, Vice Chair of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) From Sylvia Pankhurst, to Greenham and beyond, women have a proud history leading...
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farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Is there going to be a livestream?Just A Reminder For Anyone who Is Interested That Stop The War Coalition Meeting, In Oxford, Will Be Tomorrow @ Oxford Town Hall, St. Aldates, Oxford,
OX1 1BX; 7-9pm
Chair; Adam Walker Socialist Party/CWI
Speakers: Chris Nineham & Sophie Bolt (Vice Chair C.N.D.)
Oxford StWC Meeting: No to War in Ukraine!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
only if you're unlucky
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
It would be better if there was a fire....
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Nah, I've got nowt to do tomorrow night so it might be something to pass the time.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you could go out and watch the sea gulls
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
That would be preferable, but it might be amusing watching this event.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Human Rights Watch report on human right abuses by both sides. This is pre the Putin invasion. Concerns Russian back separatist run areas and Ukrainian run areas. Both sides are accused of torture and detention.
First paragraph of report gives example of man detained by Ukrainian militias, handed over to Ukrainian security, finally released only to be detained by Pro Russian militias when he went home.
Neither side in the conflict have been observing human rights. And it appears they aren't interested in any criticism.
“You Don’t Exist”
This report is based on interviews with 40 victims of abuses, their family members, witnesses, victims’ lawyers, and other sources. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch documented nine cases of arbitrary, prolonged detention of civilians by the Ukrainian authorities – including some...
It's not only HRW who have been trying to document this. As article says.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Can you get any seagulls to turn up? That might liven it up a bit.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Maybe some angry possums too.
Supine
Newt Member
Can someone add the Benny Hill theme tune pls
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Human Rights Watch report on human right abuses by both sides. This is pre the Putin invasion. Concerns Russian back separatist run areas and Ukrainian run areas. Both sides are accused of torture and detention.
First paragraph of report gives example of man detained by Ukrainian militias, handed over to Ukrainian security, finally released only to be detained by Pro Russian militias when he went home.
Neither side in the conflict have been observing human rights. And it appears they aren't interested in any criticism.
“You Don’t Exist”
This report is based on interviews with 40 victims of abuses, their family members, witnesses, victims’ lawyers, and other sources. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch documented nine cases of arbitrary, prolonged detention of civilians by the Ukrainian authorities – including some...www.hrw.org
It's not only HRW who have been trying to document this. As article says.
Interesting read, thanks for sharing, it doesn't surprise me TBH.
However, you are wrong to claim these events were 'pre-the Putin invasion', pre-the latest invasion yes, but after the 2014 invasion, and a result of the fall out following that, not that that provides an excuse for torture on the Ukrainian side.
My original point stands, there wasn't any real problem in Donbas until Putin created one.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Ah wrong thread
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