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Starry Wisdom
frankly i'll be surprised if we don't read of them being attacked in side, like happened to ian huntley
Stephen Lawrence murder trial begins at Old Bailey
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coley
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Wonder if they offered them anything in return for squealing on the other three?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
of course they did. 14 years minimum instead of 30.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I believe they were sentenced as juveniles.
Might take him to Notting Hill Carnival next time he's over for the lulz
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Starry Wisdom
go to boots first for the bandages
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Given that Dobson was lying to cover for Norris even in this latest trial i suspect they/he feel the potential costs far outweigh the potential benefits.
bignose1
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I was trying to find out on the net but delinkwent
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Starry Wisdom
based on...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That is pretty much the vibe that's done the rounds over the last 2 decades. Tie into that some of the OB and ex OB wanting the case to go away, and Dobson (often viewed as the gang's Ygor character) being desperate to stop the whole house of cards collapsing (with the consequences that might have for his own family from the OB and from Norris associates) almost logically follows.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Reports that they were sentenced as juveniles, perhaps? Have a read of the BBC report.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The judge said it in his pre-sentencing comments.
Their ages at the time of the crime
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
See if you can work it out.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
They were sentenced as juveniles as they murdered him when they were 16/17, That is my understanding .
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Given the dynamics of that little group, I'm not sure, now that Norris has been convicted, that inducements would be necessary. I reckon that if Norris and Dobson lose their appeal (and they almost certainly will appeal), then there's going to be a flow of new information hitting the investigation, either from people who no longer have to worry about the malign influence of the Norris family and their paid men in the OB, or from Knight and the Acourt Bros trying to save their own arses.
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Starry Wisdom
not having followed this story as closely as some, i wasn't aware of the judge's pre-sentence comments (cheers ba). when you say you 'believe' something, it would be nice to know why you 'believe' it.
There were several corrospondents on radio news this morning describing this is how the sentensing would be imposed. A minimum of 12 years as juvaenile offenders. This also excluding the CJA 2003 amendments regarding racially motivated murder. (It could have been 25 years as a starter if this murder had been committed by adults after 2003.)
That was my understanding anyway FWIW.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I reckon that dynamic is going to change, though, just like it did for Norris's esrtwhile contemporary Kenny Noye.
London_Calling
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I very much doubt that. Noye is no kind of example.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's a definite possibility - prior to the convictions people were still going to be very very wary, maybe not so much now. The again, if you open your mouth and you're inside it could be argued that you're now a target in a very confined space...that said, i don't know how much clout Norris and associates have now, inside or out.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Care to explain why you doubt it, oh gnomic one?
bignose1
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No it was published...
London_Calling
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Noye was a feared and disliked criminal who was hated by very many people who knew him well - plenty would have been very happy to grass him up, if they had proof and could do it anonymously. He was a cunt to pretty well everyone.
This other lot will likely be a self styled 'band of brothers' gang with loyalty and hatred of authority being integral to their relationships. They are each 'one of your own' in south London vernacular. They've also had two decades to prepare for this.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
As said earlier, a lot of Norris Jr's "influence" resided in his father's reputation and contacts (including in the OB) at the time of the murder. While there are (as mentioned w/r/t the Daniel Morgan murder thread) still some of those same coppers around, they're not in the same position to exert influence now, whatever Norris Sr. might have on them, as they were back then.
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Starry Wisdom
so what you mean isn't 'noye is no kind of example' but 'noye is a bad example'.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Noye is a career criminal and from a diff world and a diff time.
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