Star Trek TV series(es) - general discussion of the franchise

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I think it looks like it might be ok. You can never quite tell with the trailer, I can't imagine they would want to pack that with serious bits. The way cartoons are these days I'm feeling mildly positive.

 

[Chz]

It looks a lot like Final Space though. That was pretty good. Wonder if there are some shared people on the animation teams.

 

[cybershot]

Way too shouty for me.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Saw first ep of lower decks.

not great but not trash so far. some nice references but need to see where it goes thematically.

may well do a solar opposites and be mostly ok but have one or two killer episodes.

having the 20-30min eps really helps casual watching.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

love 7 of K9. also we did well with show themes.










takes faith of the heart out back along with the shotgun

 

[agricola]

Saw first ep of lower decks.

not great but not trash so far. some nice references but need to see where it goes thematically.

may well do a solar opposites and be mostly ok but have one or two killer episodes.

having the 20-30min eps really helps casual watching.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

 

[Idris2002]

Saw first ep of lower decks.

not great but not trash so far. some nice references but need to see where it goes thematically.

may well do a solar opposites and be mostly ok but have one or two killer episodes.

having the 20-30min eps really helps casual watching.

Son

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Son

That material is almost old enough to be my dad.

Also do you really want hear about kinky geek sex?

Darmok and Jelad in the bedroom.

 

[8ball]

Just popping in to check something.

Would I be correct in thinking that Trekkies are
more or less agreed that the Picard series was... suboptimal?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

I would say it wasn't perfect, but really what ever is?

I think I probably place it higher than most first seasons of trek in terms of general quality. I think it is feeling like a different kind of star trek.

TNG through Enterprise had an evolving but similar style and this is very diffrent.

 

[krtek a houby]

Just popping in to check something.

Would I be correct in thinking that Trekkies are
more or less agreed that the Picard series was... suboptimal?

It was fine. Didn't seem to upset the haters as much as STD does...

 

[8ball]

It was fine. Didn't seem to upset the haters as much as STD does...

I never saw that. I quite liked Picard as a bit of a nostalgia thing, but can see how proper Trekkies might feel let down.

I’m getting a bit long in the tooth to get angry about TV shows tbf.

 

[krtek a houby]

I never saw that. I quite liked Picard as a bit of a nostalgia thing, but can see how proper Trekkies might feel let down.

I’m getting a bit long in the tooth to get angry about TV shows tbf.

Liked both shows, they are very differently paced and with the Picard one, a lot of nostalgia.

There's supposed to be a few more spinoffs in the pipeline, but with the virus and restrictions on production and filming, it may be some time before we see them.

 

[kabbes]

I actually liked Picard but I’m no Trekkie. But despite liking it, I totally understand why the real Trekkies wouldn’t having seen this



I really like the Mr Plinkett reviews and am happy to have them on in the background for 90 minutes whilst I do the housework or something. But I can’t expect anybody else to devote that time to an esoteric subject. So let me just say that he surgically takes apart the ethos of the show and how and why it stands in contrast to everything that Trek has always been. The first few minutes kind of summarise the problem anyway, if you can be arsed to watch that much.

 

[danny la rouge]

I liked Picard, but I do have to say I’m not keen on money coming into the post-scarcity utopia. Mercenaries? In Federation territory? Paid by Jean Luc? With what?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

. Mercenaries? In Federation territory? Paid by Jean Luc? With what?

Bottles of wine of course.

 

[danny la rouge]

Bottles of wine of course.

Yeah, that’s what he wins Raffi over with, so I guess he could pay Puss in Boots with them too.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

I actually liked Picard but I’m no Trekkie. But despite liking it, I totally understand why the real Trekkies wouldn’t having seen this



I really like the Mr Plinkett reviews and am happy to have them on in the background for 90 minutes whilst I do the housework or something. But I can’t expect anybody else to devote that time to an esoteric subject. So let me just say that he surgically takes apart the ethos of the show and how and why it stands in contrast to everything that Trek has always been. The first few minutes kind of summarise the problem anyway, if you can be arsed to watch that much.

Their recent re:view giving their top 5 TNG episodes was a nice glimpse back at what made for the better episodes of that show.

It's been so long since I've watched TNG that I had kinda forgotten.

 

[danny la rouge]

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I actually liked Picard but I’m no Trekkie. But despite liking it, I totally understand why the real Trekkies wouldn’t having seen this



I really like the Mr Plinkett reviews and am happy to have them on in the background for 90 minutes whilst I do the housework or something. But I can’t expect anybody else to devote that time to an esoteric subject. So let me just say that he surgically takes apart the ethos of the show and how and why it stands in contrast to everything that Trek has always been. The first few minutes kind of summarise the problem anyway, if you can be arsed to watch that much.

with a huge amount of effort I got a couple of minutes into that! I learned nothing, except a guy with an annoying voice was unhappy. God, I hate YouTube.

 

[kabbes]

It may or may not help to know that the annoying voice is on purpose. Mr Plinkett is a “character” played (in these reviews) by Mike Stoklasa. Many people hate Mr Plinkett. Doesn’t stop the analysis being highly insightful though.

 

[danny la rouge]

It may or may not help to know that the annoying voice is on purpose. Mr Plinkett is a “character” played (in these reviews) by Mike Stoklasa. Many people hate Mr Plinkett. Doesn’t stop the analysis being highly insightful though.

If you enjoy it, that’s great. I’m afraid it’s not for me though.

(I couldn’t watch Rick and Morty because of the voice either).

 

[kabbes]

Oh look, Wikipedia contains some great pseud stuff about Plinkett:

“But aside from raw catharsis, Kirbach claims that Plinkett's insanity is also a critique of the film industry itself. By fictionalizing his critic, Stoklasa constructs a character who is unable to speak at a safe distance from the text he analyzes. "Plinkett becomes the figure of a consumer culture that has been force-fed Hollywood schlock beyond its carrying capacity," Kirbach writes.[25] And further:

Stoklasa's major conceit—that someone would have to be "crazy" to watch movies the way Plinkett does—also implies a barely hidden inverse: that the film industry has induced a consumerist fantasy in people who don't watch movies this way. Plinkett's obscenity and jokiness are without a doubt designed to garner viewership, but they are also Stoklasa's apology for—or defense against—a culture that already construes his level of passion as pathological. This central irony leads us to question what is actually more insane: the consumer who rejects the expressions of a massive culture industry, or the massive culture industry itself. Plinkett satirizes the kind of consumer such a system generates: psychotic, sexist, homicidal.[24]”

So there you go, Danny. You’re wrong.

 

[danny la rouge]

Oh look, Wikipedia contains some great pseud stuff about Plinkett:

“But aside from raw catharsis, Kirbach claims that Plinkett's insanity is also a critique of the film industry itself. By fictionalizing his critic, Stoklasa constructs a character who is unable to speak at a safe distance from the text he analyzes. "Plinkett becomes the figure of a consumer culture that has been force-fed Hollywood schlock beyond its carrying capacity," Kirbach writes.[25] And further:


So there you go, Danny. You’re wrong.

I am a man of perpetual uncertainty, tortured by doubt. But having read that, for the first time in my life I am utterly convinced I was right about something.

 

[CNT36]

I am a man of perpetual uncertainty, tortured by doubt. But having read that, for the first time in my life I am utterly convinced I was right about something.

Stoklasa and Rich Evans did some episode reviews as well in their real also pretty annoying voices.
I found the show a little boring, struggled with some of the characters including Picard and so much went nowhere. I like that it starter slow but it built to nothing. All the Borg reclamation project stuff was a waste of time just a familiar backdrop. There could have been an interesting story to tell with Hugh and Seven possibly on opposite sides. Picard getting a new body and the whole ending was cringe. The money thing was annoying. On the fringes of the federation or outside the borders? Fine. On Earth? Sisko's heaven? Fuck off. Even the Ferengi were moving towards social democracy twenty years before this. What is up with the Romulans? The last shot of the crew on the bridge just jarred. They're not off to explore they'll just find some poor buggers to shout at for ten hours.

I have a lot more if it is placed in context of the rest of Star Trek and you expect consistency. Picard's sudden onset you have one two parter to live illness was bad enough anyway but worse if you remember The Next Generation. The brain issue they mention was first found by Doctor Crusher. She looked for it because Picard was quantum leaping in to his own future/past. Future Picard was suffering from an Alzheimer's like illness. It lead to a lot of the future crew members being sceptical of Picard because of this slow debilitating disease. In this it comes from nowhere and he'll be dead by lunch.

 

[cybershot]

Worth watching if you have time to kill.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

That did make me want to check some of those episodes out again.

 

[CNT36]

Worth watching if you have time to kill.

I've been waiting for the wife to have an early night to watch those.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

It's a good list. It's more a list of great episodes that demonstrate aspects of trek rather a list of all the most dramatic or action packed.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

It is a good list - was pleased to see Cause and Effect on there, as that's a goto episode whenever I realise I haven't seen Trek in ages. And no Inner Light! Fucking win.