Star Trek TV series(es) - general discussion of the franchise

[Reno]

All these shows/films going on at once - are any gonna directly follow the TNG/DS9/VOY timeline?

Only the feature films starting with the 2009 Star Trek reboot take place in an alternate timeline. All the TV series, including the recent ones, take place the timeline established by the original Star Trek series.

...which doesn't explain why prequel series like Enterprise and Discovery and I'm presuming this new one, look technologically so much more advanced than the 60s series and why nobody is wearing mini skirts.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Only the feature films starting with the 2009 Star Trek reboot take place in an alternate timeline. All the TV series, including the recent ones, take place the timeline established by the original Star Trek series.

...which doesn't explain why prequel series like Enterprise and Discovery and I'm presuming this new one, look technologically so much more advanced than the 60s series and why nobody is wearing mini skirts.

All media was edited during the eugenics wars back in the 90s to hide the evidence of advanced technology.

 

[cybershot]

All these shows/films going on at once - are any gonna directly follow the TNG/DS9/VOY timeline?

the Picard series? Is the only one that’s directly gone into the future but is still built on nostalgia. I was hoping it would be a one off that would set the stage for a new weekly series set in that time frame, instead we have a second season of Picard which I think they were too keen to renew before it even aired. The first couple episodes were superb but it quickly tailed off.

Discovery is now x years into the future but.... yawn.

 

[bmd]

the Picard series? Is the only one that’s directly gone into the future but is still built on nostalgia. I was hoping it would be a one off that would set the stage for a new weekly series set in that time frame, instead we have a second season of Picard which I think they were too keen to renew before it even aired. The first couple episodes were superb but it quickly tailed off.

Discovery is now x years into the future but.... yawn.

What did you dislike about it? I loved the theme of Picard being almost like an outcast. They did kick the arse out of it, still. Plus I really liked the more balanced gender approach. I thought it introduced some interesting characters too. I haven't really considered whether I thought it was 'good' or not. I did watch it to the end, which is usually an indication that I thought it was.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

all of star trek (post TOS) is to one degree or another built on nostalgia.

that is what sequels are.

 

[cybershot]

What did you dislike about it? I loved the theme of Picard being almost like an outcast. They did kick the arse out of it, still. Plus I really liked the more balanced gender approach. I thought it introduced some interesting characters too. I haven't really considered whether I thought it was 'good' or not. I did watch it to the end, which is usually an indication that I thought it was.

I didn’t say I disliked it, but could have been so much better. There were just too many inconsistencies and the usual let’s do something new with an established race that somehow had never been picked up in 3 prior series (maybe 4 don’t remember them in voyager) or ever talked about that just made the whole thing like the writers don’t really give a shit.

I won’t go into too much detail here as we did agree in January to keep this thread Picard spoiler free for those without amazon prime, but I think most of the gripes were picked up by other posters in the main series thread.

 

[cybershot]

all of star trek (post TOS) is to one degree or another built on nostalgia.

that is what sequels are.

there’s plenty of spin offs for other shows films that actually expand on its universe. Modern Star Trek just rehashes what is already established and for the most part fucks with 60 years worth of lore previously created for the shits and giggles instead of boldly going somewhere new.

 

[CNT36]

it will still be better than Picard was though

They're even calling it Strange New Worlds. Strange New Worlds was a series of eleven books publishing fan fiction. I doubt it will be as high quality fan fiction.

 

[Reno]

there’s plenty of spin offs for other shows films that actually expand on its universe. Modern Star Trek just rehashes what is already established and for the most part fucks with 60 years worth of lore previously created for the shits and giggles instead of boldly going somewhere new.

The one time Star Trek really did something different with DS9, it was considered controversial and the show was never as popular as TNG. To many Trekkies it was what The Last Jedi was to Star Wars fanboys. I loved it my favourite ST show.

 

[Ax^]

All these shows/films going on at once - are any gonna directly follow the TNG/DS9/VOY timeline?

Picard is the only one currently in the main timeline

it not to bad but does not feel like a proper star trek show at least the first season

 

[cybershot]

The one time Star Trek really did something different with DS9, it was considered controversial and the show was never as popular as TNG. To many Trekkies it was what The Last Jedi was to Star Wars fanboys. I loved it my favourite ST show.

it's a marmite series but I don't think that's true. It did 7 seasons, its viewing figures were always consistent and did better than Voyager. DS9 and Enterprise probably hold up the best in modern TV binge watch standards due to the overarching storylines.

I think most trekkies hate discovery the most, those posts on facebook always full of hate. Although most seem to be pleased about this new series. Anson Mount did do a rather good Chris Pike and was about the only decent thing about season 2 of Discovery. Not sure I wanted a series of the Enterprise before Kirk though, but TV execs see $$$s due to the fan reaction! So we get it anyway. I'm wondering if they might return to episodic fumbling around in space stories to be honest. The Orville has proved there's still a desire for that type of show. Speaking of which, what the hell happened to Season 3 of that.

 

[Ax^]

surely enterprise is more hated than discovery

 

[fishfinger]

...The Orville has proved there's still a desire for that type of show. Speaking of which, what the hell happened to Season 3 of that.

Towards the end of this year.

 

[cybershot]

surely enterprise is more hated than discovery

I think the problem with Enterprise was, TV was changing, and like most Trek's before it, started badly. These days you just can't afford a slow start. By the time it found it's grove, it was too late. I was one of those who hated it and gave up on it in Season 1. Re-watching it years later, I really enjoyed it.

 

[Reno]

I think the problem with Enterprise was, TV was changing, and like most Trek's before it, started badly. These days you just can't afford a slow start. By the time it found it's grove, it was too late. I was one of those who hated it and gave up on it in Season 1. Re-watching it years later, I really enjoyed it.

...there also was THE SONG !

 

[agricola]

The one time Star Trek really did something different with DS9, it was considered controversial and the show was never as popular as TNG. To many Trekkies it was what The Last Jedi was to Star Wars fanboys. I loved it my favourite ST show.

it's a marmite series but I don't think that's true. It did 7 seasons, its viewing figures were always consistent and did better than Voyager. DS9 and Enterprise probably hold up the best in modern TV binge watch standards due to the overarching storylines.

I think most trekkies hate discovery the most, those posts on facebook always full of hate. Although most seem to be pleased about this new series. Anson Mount did do a rather good Chris Pike and was about the only decent thing about season 2 of Discovery. Not sure I wanted a series of the Enterprise before Kirk though, but TV execs see $$$s due to the fan reaction! So we get it anyway. I'm wondering if they might return to episodic fumbling around in space stories to be honest. The Orville has proved there's still a desire for that type of show. Speaking of which, what the hell happened to Season 3 of that.

I agree it was never as popular as TNG, but that says more about the quality of the audiences than the show. It had the best writing and characterisation of any Star Trek series (Sisko and Garak especially), but it did sadly also usher in the idea of the spectacular battle with loads of ships blowing up as a plot device which has progressively ruined the franchise.

As an aside, I was just watching "By Inferno's Light" and given that its 23 years old now it is looking very good for its age.

 

[Reno]

DS9 was also the first Star Trek series which which had decent female characters. Jadzia Dax was my favourite character on the show and Kira was a far more complex a female lead character than had been seen on a ST series.

 

[krtek a houby]

I'll watch anything Trek but like others here, I do wish it would boldly go forward. That's why I'm glad season 3 of Discovery will be the furthest (in terms of time) yet.

I don't get the hate for it.

 

[agricola]

I'll watch anything Trek but like others here, I do wish it would boldly go forward. That's why I'm glad season 3 of Discovery will be the furthest (in terms of time) yet.

I don't get the hate for it.

I don't either - season one was very good (apart from the very last episode), and although season two was less good it still had its moments. I suppose its down to the redesign of the Klingons more than anything else.

 

[krtek a houby]

I don't either - season one was very good (apart from the very last episode), and although season two was less good it still had its moments. I suppose its down to the redesign of the Klingons more than anything else.

Even then, I don't get why their design changes would irk, so. It wouldn't be the first time they've had a new look.

Besides, the Klingon empire isn't just one planet. There's probably a lot of diversity within the population.

 

[CNT36]

I agree it was never as popular as TNG, but that says more about the quality of the audiences than the show. It had the best writing and characterisation of any Star Trek series (Sisko and Garak especially), but it did sadly also usher in the idea of the spectacular battle with loads of ships blowing up as a plot device which has progressively ruined the franchise.

As an aside, I was just watching "By Inferno's Light" and given that its 23 years old now it is looking very good for its age.

Such a good two-parter. Really goes up a gear and changes everything.

 

[danny la rouge]

Eventually wiped out due to the work of the Voyager crew.

 

[DotCommunist]

I thought it was spelled phage, like the eaters.

 

[CNT36]

I thought it was spelled phage, like the eaters.

You missed the most egregious error. It wasn't wiped out by the Voyager crew but off screen by that Think Tank that wanted Seven to join.

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Eventually wiped out due to the work of the Voyager crew.

Is it coconut based or coconut flavoured? I don't want the shits.

 

[CNT36]

I don't want to end up feeling like this guy.

 

[Detroit City]

I re-watched ST:TWOK for the 10th time. Great movie.

 

[danny la rouge]

I thought it was spelled phage, like the eaters.

It’s a pun. Pun.

 

[Leafster]

I thought it was spelled phage, like the eaters.

And that yoghurt is actually pronounced Fa-yeh

 

[strung out]

New Star Trek series Lower Decks airs on August 6th! Trailer here:

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

not looking fantastic.

I think it doesn't have the right amount of seriousness to make the silliness work.


although the cleaning the holodeck bit made me smile.

"Ewww Reg was using this last!"