danny la rouge
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I think she is pretty much correct in most of what she says (except where she believe it leads her to support Humza Yousaf).
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SNP leadership election (2023)
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I think she is pretty much correct in most of what she says (except where she believe it leads her to support Humza Yousaf).
danny la rouge
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I know. That’s what I mean: she seems to be backing Humza for leader. That’s her call, and I’m not a supporter of her party. And it’s where I diverge from what she has to say.
it's not a tenable position for a party's MP to say "none of the above". so Black has the alternatives of backing the least worst option or resigning from the party in protest. I don't envy her that choice.
given that Yousaf publicly backed gay marriage and voted in favour at the earlier stages, I can believe that contriving to miss the 3rd stage vote was an act of cowardice when he knew it would pass anyway to avoid confrontation rather than any genuine opposition. not an edifying position and one he'll hopefully be embarrassed of for the rest of his life. but still better than the other two voting against / saying they would have voted against equality legislation.
danny la rouge
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I’m not suggesting she can or would declare for none of the above. I was saying I agreed with all she had to say, except the bit where she backed Yousaf.
danny la rouge
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She’s not going to; she supports Humza.
I’ve never known a serving MP of a party to fail to back one of the candidates in that party’s leadership election. They’d just choose the least worst: they believe in elections. It’s kind of their thing.
But hypothetically, I suppose they could. Maybe arrange an important haircut that day…
bluescreen
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What would you like to see, danny la rouge? All options look grim from this side of the border, to someone like me who feels inadequately informed.
danny la rouge
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There’s not a good outcome I can think of.
sleaterkinney
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Wow
Is the SNP screwed?
Is the SNP screwed?
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
I'm not sure people outside of Scotland really understand. She's a Wee Free. Of course these are her thoughts. That's what they teach. It's not 'wow'.
danny la rouge
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It looks like it.
My prediction is Humza will win, but even so I’m not impressed. Is this the “wealth of talent” Sturgeon referred to in her resignation speech? Fuck me, if so.
Thing is, the other parties in Scotland have nothing either. Have you seen their leaders on TV? It’s embarrassing.
danny la rouge
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I should declare here that my mother is one.
farmerbarleymow
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Not too dissimilar to the catholic church I'd guess in attitude towards women priests.
I've misread something into your posts you didn't mean to imply. my bad.
a newspaper editor with pages to fill could make good work out of a story every day on a different outré position of the wee frees. they're really not well known at all in the rest of the UK.
JimW
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Last thing they'd thank you for is being lumped in with the Papists. iirc Sorley Maclean risked expulsion from his congregation for attending a Catholic friends funeral.
danny la rouge
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Indeed. In fact my mum made the journey from Catholicism to the Wee Frees. It’s interesting that people are only now discovering what a lot of Christian churches actually teach.
emanymton
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The last 2 PMs where Truss and Johnson, so not just the Scottish parties suffering from a lack of talent.
danny la rouge
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No problem. It’s written language, we’re bound to have these blips. I probably wasn’t very clear in my post.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Yeah, bit of an eye-opener for me - I went up to Lewis & Harris in the early 90's. For a nice boy from southern England who was used to stuff being open on a Sunday, it was like finding myself living amongst the Taliban.
People, particularly outside Scotland - and having lived in Glasgow, I'd include folk living in the Central Belt - simply don't grasp the nature of Christianity up there: only 20 years since the beginning of ferry and air services on a Sunday, and then pretty restricted.
danny la rouge
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Indeed. It’s fucking depressing.
farmerbarleymow
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Makes me wonder whether my grandad was a member - he was a rabid prod who hated catholics - but that might just have been a fairly common attitude in Glasgow 80 years ago.
danny la rouge
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Yes, that was mainstream Church of Scotland until recently.
andysays
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I think the point Mhairi Black makes above is appropriate here.
You can be a member of a religious group which doesn't allow women ministers or priests, but if you come out with a statement which appears to say that women shouldn't be ministers, whatever religion they are, then you're stepping over the line and attempting to impose your belief or faith on others.
And let's not forget Lord Mackay of Clashfern who was censured for attending the requiem masses of two colleagues and subsequently left them.
'The Free Presbyterians, who claim about 6,000 adherents, do not disguise their hostility to Roman Catholicism. The Rev. Donald MacLean, the synod's clerk, told the tribunal hearing the case that the Roman church was "the masterpiece of Satanism" and the mass "idolatrous and blasphemous." He said, "I find it difficult to believe a lord chancellor of a Protestant country with a Protestant queen and a Protestant throne is under any obligation by reason of his office of state to attend a popish mass."'
He was most likely not a Wee Free (there's not that many of them and they tend to be more Highlands and Islands). Anti-Catholic sentiment/hate was very common until reasonably recently. It's one of those things I'm always surprised people outside Scotland aren't aware of. (Sure, they've probably heard of the Old Firm but they generally don't understand the historical/social context.)
danny la rouge
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Sadly still not historical in some quarters. The recent rampage of Rangers fans around the city - when they won something or other that they believed was significant - was a wake up call. I no longer consider myself Catholic, but I’ve no doubt that these dinosaurs do (both sides of my family came from Ireland in the 19th Century), and it caused me fear and dread, here inside my home.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
you don't have to look particularly far back in english history to find rampant anti Catholicism tbf. The gordon riots were not about gin.
Aye, I was probably being a bit optimistic.
danny la rouge
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It’s not the commonplace attitude you used to see back in our youth (I’m making assumptions, Sue - apologies), but I think in some ways that has only solidified the hold the bigotry has on this core. They are in existential dread that their power has waned and they are doubling down as a result.Aye, I was probably being a bit optimistic.
