Six Nations - 2024
- Thread starter Elpenor
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gosub
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Agree. Just not yet
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Some thoughts
England’s defensive performance was good, to twice go through 20+ phases and not give away a penalty, both at crucial moments is very impressive. That said they still allowed too many line breaks against a Wales team that aren’t exactly much at present.
England poor at breakdown, and poor discipline wise. Attack still quite bland, but there are moments of sunshine. Try with 13 men off a scrum was huge. To fail to kill the game off in the last 10 with an extra man was poor. England’s power and bench strength made the difference.
Another learning curve for Wales. They’re showing the team they can be in a few years time. Picking up losing bonus points and scoring tries.
Both teams likely to lose convincingly and perhaps heavily to Ireland.
England’s defensive performance was good, to twice go through 20+ phases and not give away a penalty, both at crucial moments is very impressive. That said they still allowed too many line breaks against a Wales team that aren’t exactly much at present.
England poor at breakdown, and poor discipline wise. Attack still quite bland, but there are moments of sunshine. Try with 13 men off a scrum was huge. To fail to kill the game off in the last 10 with an extra man was poor. England’s power and bench strength made the difference.
Another learning curve for Wales. They’re showing the team they can be in a few years time. Picking up losing bonus points and scoring tries.
Both teams likely to lose convincingly and perhaps heavily to Ireland.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
That aged well.Italy dominating so far, nearly ahead today's their day I feel
fucthest8
Cool people die horrible, preventable deaths.
Yeah, I think all we are learning here is that you may well be right about both England and Wales looking at getting reamed when they meet Ireland.
Monte
You can't say lavatory without saying tory.
...without lube!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but does it really do Italy any good to be smashed to pieces every year in the 6N? Wouldn't it be better for the competition (and Italy themselves) to have a system of promotion/relegation from the Tier 2 comp? Wooden spoonists of 6N (usually Italy) play off against the winners of Tier 2 (usually Georgia)? If Italy win the playoff, it does them a world of good. If they lose it, they can't really grumble.
I guess the reason this doesn't happen is a word starting with M and ending with Y?
I guess the reason this doesn't happen is a word starting with M and ending with Y?
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Italy are killing it in the U20s I think, Scotland play in a lower tier competition in the world U20s. Italy don’t also have the ancestral advantages of home nation teams
Hopefully it transfers to the senior tournament in a few years
Maybe a playoff will happen in a few years but currently Italy are shareholders in the 6N (I think) so can’t be relegated
Hopefully it transfers to the senior tournament in a few years
Maybe a playoff will happen in a few years but currently Italy are shareholders in the 6N (I think) so can’t be relegated
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
When Italy were brought in they had a much better crop of players. Their domestic game has never really kicked off.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Not only was it forward out of the hands, but receiver was actually in front of passer, so it's a penalty to Wales.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
maybe put it to the younger teams
italy home rugby has been going thru transformation since 2015 been harsh to squash it protentional now
AverageJoe
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ITALY aren't being smashed by as much as they used to be a few years ago, so they have shown massive improvement, even though they are the weakest team in the 6N currently.
I've long argued there should be a 6N2, with Spain, Georgia, Portugal, Romania and Belgium (plus one other wild card). The bottom team in the actual 6N go down and the winners of 6N2 come up. Would add an extra element to both groups.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
TBF since 2000, they've finished bottom 18 times and lost all five matches 13 times. They've won 13 out of 120 games. So on average they win one game every two years.
Problem is money. I don't doubt that even one season out of the 6N would be disastrous for the likes of Wales or Scotland. And they do occasionally finish bottom, even with Italy there. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
We see it in a lot of sports. The wider good of growing the game is opposed by those at the top who fear losing money. Spain's a good example. When I was there 30-odd years ago, I was amazed by the interest in the then 5N. It was live on tv and people wanted to watch it. Game could easily grow big there.
AverageJoe
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I didn't say they weren't winning. I said they were losing by fewer points, so they are improving.
I know it's a pendants point
I know it's a pendants point
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
I’ve long thought that Spain, Portugal and Germany should be allowed to enter the second tier of ECPR as a club. Regular games, exposure to professional teams and a chance to build the domestic comp. Easier to do than have a promotion relegation system for the six nations.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
you haven't thought that through have you?
