Shots fired outside Houses of Parliament

[Pickman's model]

Well done for working out the obvious.

Yeh? He was radicalised in prison over a decade ago and converts to Islam when?

 

[green.tea]

Was born Adrian Elms according to the latest BBC report. Looks like he may have been a convert. It also says he was convicted of a knife crime. Knife crime presumably involves jail? Its pretty well known that jail is a jihadist recruiting ground, which is probably a reason for the common factor.

London attack: 'Final' photo of killed PC Keith Palmer emerges - BBC News

Or perhaps it was the four years he spent in Saudi Arabia...

Sounds plausable. Where did you read that?

He didnt answer for some reason..

 

[not-bono-ever]

Another economist making bad decisions that affect us all

 

[Artaxerxes]

Yeh? He was radicalised in prison over a decade ago and converts to Islam when?

Fuck knows and tbh I don't really care, he was a cock womble regardless. Going to the nick will have either radicalised him or sent him further down the rabbit hole of alienation and ultimately choosing to kill people.

 

[Pickman's model]

Fuck knows and tbh I don't really care, he was a cock womble regardless. Going to the nick will have either radicalised him or sent him further down the rabbit hole of alienation and ultimately choosing to kill people.

Because that's what happens to everyone who goes to prison of course

 

[Artaxerxes]

Because that's what happens to everyone who goes to prison of course

Did I say that?

However prison is frequently a toxic environment liable to lead further down the rabbit hole of feeling like shit. Not to mention the closing of many doors to you when you have been in the nick.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Oh and it looks like I was right with my "radicalised in jail" idea.

Dragon as fuck.

Dragon? This has been speculated on by nearly all the radio news I have heard in the last 24 hours so it seems more likely to me you are a cat...of the copying kind.

 

[Beats & Pieces]

Pape’s analysis is consistent with what Lydia Wilson found when she interviewed captured ISIS fighters in Iraq. “They are woefully ignorant about Islam and have difficulty answering questions about Sharia law, militant jihad, and the caliphate,” she recently wrote in The Nation. “But a detailed, or even superficial, knowledge of Islam isn’t necessarily relevant to the ideal of fighting for an Islamic State, as we have seen from the Amazon order of Islam for Dummies by one British fighter bound for ISIS.”

 

[Pickman's model]

Did I say that?

However prison is frequently a toxic environment liable to lead further down the rabbit hole of feeling like shit. Not to mention the closing of many doors to you when you have been in the nick.

If you don't give a shit better to keep quiet than post up some auld bollocks about prison being the formative experience in yer man's adult life.

 

[bi0boy]

At least this kept that other terrorist's funeral out of the news

 

[Plumdaff]

That feeling when some armchair psychiatrist doesn't seem to realise that mental illness is culturally mediated.

Or that in order to be detained under the mental health act you not only need to be suffering from a mental illness (and you may or may not experience delusions), it needs to be of a nature and degree that warrants inpatient hospital admission, and you need to pose a risk to your own health and safety, or that of other people.

Not my Dad popping to Mass on a Sunday then.

 

[brogdale]

The state of all this bollux....

 

[Indeliblelink]

police raided a house in brighton linked to the attacks

So he stayed at a hotel in Brighton before the attack, the local news at the time was full of the terrible story of a woman killed in the village of Battle, on Sunday afternoon, when a car (reports of a drink driver) mounted the pavement and hit her then crashed into a cafe .

 

[Pickman's model]

The state of all this bollux....

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Pity it wasn't inside

 

[Shechemite]

Or that in order to be detained under the mental health act you not only need to be suffering from a mental illness (and you may or may not experience delusions), it needs to be of a nature and degree that warrants inpatient hospital admission, and you need to pose a risk to your own health and safety, or that of other people.

Perceived.

You need to be perceived be/have those things you mentioned above. Sectioning is a decision made by someone based on either theirs or others perceptions.

 

[Plumdaff]

Perceived.

You need to be perceived be/have those things you mentioned above. Sectioning is a decision made by someone based on either theirs or others perceptions.

Hence me agreeing with Noxion that mental illness is culturally mediated.

 

[cantsin]

The state of all this bollux....

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haven't watched / listened to news since yday now, usual grotesque overload circus- was it on here someone pointed out 230 civvies killed by US air attack on Mosul on weds ? Barely a mention anywhere, obvs

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Interesting that the attacker had a history of non-political criminality (assaults etc) prior to the attack, seems to be a very common factor in jihadist terrorists.

Yes, the recruiting pool for people moronic enough to undertake a suicide 'mission' is always going to be a limited one.

The petty criminal swamp - and interestingly middle class boys who've fallen for the gangsta lifestyle/associated loon conspiracy theories - are heavily overrepresented on that basis.

 

[bimble]

He stands out mostly by his age this one doesn't he (the suicidal jihadi I mean not green.tea).

 

[Wilf]

haven't watched / listened to news since yday now, just grotesque - was it on here someone pointed out 230 civvies killed by US air attack on Mosul on weds ? Barely a mention anywhere

If I was being generous to the broadcasters, I'd say they were just being lazy. They've got correspondents in place who live their lives in and around parliament - flies on shit. They've also got a steady flow of MPs who want to flaunt their bravery under fire. It's no surprise that the dominant tone is one of the 'mother of parliaments under fire'.

But it's worse than lazy, it's ideological and dishonest. As you say, violent and avoidable death happens everywhere and on a greater scale - every day. If the broadcasters had any guts or brains they'd reflect that. And if they really had any guts they'd be talking about Western interventions in the middle east. None of that reduces the responsibility of the murderous scumbag who did this, but it does put into perspective the shite that's being spewed out about our 'democracy'.

 

[Wilf]

Anyway, what major announcements can we expect from government in the wake of this attack on 'the mother of parliaments'? Demands that the world cup be moved from Qatar? Suspension of defence contracts with Saudi Arabia? Regime change in Bahrain after democracy protests were crushed?

 

[treelover]

The state of all this bollux....

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Hundreds of disabled and sick people have died as a consequence of the Govt's welfare reforms, sanctions, etc, sorry if i doubt your sincerity, Javid.

 

[bimble]

All the fascination with analysing the deep psychological reasons is kind of absurd too, as if teenagers who murder each other on a weekly basis in London don't warrant such enquiry they're just doing what they do because gangs.

 

[Wilf]

All the fascination with analysing the deep psychological reasons is kind of absurd too, as if teenagers who murder each other on a weekly basis in London don't warrant such enquiry they're just doing what they do because gangs.

The 'why' question is important, how one bloke ended up doing this at this point in his life. But only if you go to where the evidence takes you. When the investigations are done, there'll no doubt be a story of a 'minor criminal', of radicalisation, online videos, particular mosques - all the usual stuff. But will the narrative find it's way back to Bush and Blair, to oil, to military bases - will it fuck.

 

[Pickman's model]

All the fascination with analysing the deep psychological reasons is kind of absurd too, as if teenagers who murder each other on a weekly basis in London don't warrant such enquiry they're just doing what they do because gangs.

i think you'll find there is a considerable body of research into gangs in this country.

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyway, what major announcements can we expect from government in the wake of this attack on 'the mother of parliaments'? Demands that the world cup be moved from Qatar? Suspension of defence contracts with Saudi Arabia? Regime change in Bahrain after democracy protests were crushed?

more cops
more cops with guns
more cops with guns guarding mps

 

[Pickman's model]

i see the met are retiring yer man's number, 4157U: not seen anywhere pick up on the fact he was from 4TSG

 

[bimble]

The 'why' question is important, how one bloke ended up doing this at this point in his life. But only if you go to where the evidence takes you. When the investigations are done, there'll no doubt be a story of a 'minor criminal', of radicalisation, online videos, particular mosques - all the usual stuff. But will the narrative find it's way back to Bush and Blair, to oil, to military bases - will it fuck.

Yes it is important, but like you say it won't go anywhere real, politically or psychologically.
Had a thought on the tube yesterday, about how the focus on religion as in belief is probably a massive red herring: What you get when you convert (i think) is an instant feeling of belonging to a real community, people who actually care about you and call you brother and sister and be your friends. The young son of a friend of mine recently converted to islam (born Liverpool living in Sweden) - I spoke to him a while ago and he was all about the amazing sense of belonging and mutual support, practical as well as emotional. His family all freaking out of course.

 

[8den]

Pape’s analysis is consistent with what Lydia Wilson found when she interviewed captured ISIS fighters in Iraq. “They are woefully ignorant about Islam and have difficulty answering questions about Sharia law, militant jihad, and the caliphate,” she recently wrote in The Nation. “But a detailed, or even superficial, knowledge of Islam isn’t necessarily relevant to the ideal of fighting for an Islamic State, as we have seen from the Amazon order of Islam for Dummies by one British fighter bound for ISIS.”

That's not isolated to Islam. Right now in America and Britain there are supposedly Christian Politicians gutting Health Care, and Social Welfare, which would suggest they've only skimmed the later half of the bible.

 

[Artaxerxes]

That's not isolated to Islam. Right now in America and Britain there are supposedly Christian Politicians gutting Health Care, and Social Welfare, which would suggest they've only skimmed the later half of the bible.

"Pick up thy bed and WALK!"