Shittest Irish accent competition
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Colin Farrell as Alexander the Great.
mystic pyjamas
Don't call us,we'll call you.
The one on my apple homepod.
hammerntongues
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For me the worst Irish accents appeared in possibly the worst ever film, Irish or otherwise . Far and Away , Cruise and Kidman .
Just curious if there is a US forum that takes the piss out of bad English accents in US films , of course there is . I would be intrigued to know how good , or bad , Idris Elba and Dominic West were as Stringer Bell and Jimmy McNulty in The Wire . Faultless TV drama ? or was it spoilt for US viewers by shitty accents ?
Just curious if there is a US forum that takes the piss out of bad English accents in US films , of course there is . I would be intrigued to know how good , or bad , Idris Elba and Dominic West were as Stringer Bell and Jimmy McNulty in The Wire . Faultless TV drama ? or was it spoilt for US viewers by shitty accents ?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Quite obviously a copy of Ireland.Kind of does if you turn it upside down
And a shitload of key locations on GoT are in Ireland.
The least Irish thing about GoT is Littlefinger's accent!
Reno
The In Kraut
The accents on The Wire have mostly been considered to be pretty good. British actors are classically trained, which gives them an advantage over US movie stars, who may never have gotten any classical training.
Language Log on the Accents in “The Wire”
https://www.quora.com/Did-The-Wires-Jimmy-Mcnulty-have-a-good-American-accent
That said, different actors are good at different things and a performance can still be good even if the accent isn’t 100%. Finding the emotional truth in a character is a completely different skill from the mimicry needed in getting a local accent right. Sigourney Weaver is an actor I love, yet she’s utterly crap at accents.
Reno
The In Kraut
Quite obviously a copy of Ireland.
And a shitload of key locations on GoT are in Ireland.
The least Irish thing about GoT is Littlefinger's accent!
It’s still not Ireland, no matter how much you insist the accents have to be authentic to a place which simply doesn’t exist in GoT. I thought that’s a fairly obvious thing to grasp about fantasy as a genre, but apparent not. You may just as well be complaining that dragons look nothing like they do in the series.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
You're missing the point, completely. I'd try to explain but it seems you're not very good at that whole comprehension thing.
Reno
The In Kraut
I'm not missing you point, I'm disagreeing with you. Thanks for being a patronising twat though. No news there then.
Baronage-Phase
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Since when do Irish people with Irish accents have to be based only in Ireland?
Even in fiction....
Eta...there are Irish people worldwide ... so why not in a fictional place? After all, plenty on GoT have British accents...
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Reno
The In Kraut
Even if it sounds like it, it’s still not an Irish accent if Ireland doesn’t exist. If you mean our world by ”worldwide” then that’s different because in our world there is an Ireland. We in the real world, have the reference point for Ireland. GoT doesn’t take place in our world. Considering the length of the seasons, probably not even on our planet. At the very least in a parallel universe in which nobody’s ever heard of Ireland. The British accents sound like British accents but they can’t be. There is no Britain. Within the context of this world, the characters speak with Westeros accents and nobody within that world would ever refer to anything as being British or Irish. On top of that Baelish was a character who always pretended to be something he isn’t and he rose in that society from humble beginnings via manipulation and deceit. It makes sense that he doesn’t have a consistent accent, as he would try to change it to fit in. You can’t critcise for something to be inauthentic when the reference point for authenticity doesn’t exist within the context of this particular fiction.Since when do Irish people with Irish accents have to be based only in Ireland?
Even in fiction....
Eta...there are Irish people worldwide ... so why not in a fictional place? After all, plenty on GoT have British accents...
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Baronage-Phase
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The guy has a rubbish cultivated Irish accent....it really is an attempted Irish accent. It's not a Welsh or English or Scottish accent. He has very deliberately chosen an Irish accent.
That's not disputable.
Speaking as an Irish person, his accent is pure fakery. Why he chose to speak in such an appallingly bad Irish accent? Who knows..
Reno
The In Kraut
The actor is Irish, so I’d assume it is a choice he made. For all we know, that’s how the people where he comes from end up talking in his situation.
Baronage-Phase
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Nobody has that accent. It's an over exaggerated brogue. And he is doing it deliberately...for whatever reason. Perhaps he wanted there to be an alternative to the British accents and American accents on the show.
Reno
The In Kraut
Nobody has dragons
Baronage-Phase
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Nobody has dragons
You can't compare an accent with a dragon...
Come to think of it ...those dragons sounded Welsh
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
He could simply have kept his Irish accent (seeing as Ireland doesn't exist in GoT), but instead he's drifting from Irish to English to Indian to...
krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
Is this Aiden Gillen we're talking about? His accents always pulled into question, seems to be in a constant state of flux! Also, Michael Fassbender's accent is often a bit changeable in the X-Men films on close inspection.
Back to Westeros and Liam Cunningham's Geordie accent is pretty decent.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
It certainly is. The worst Irish/English/Indian/Australian, etc. accent ever
krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
It certainly is. The worst Irish/English/Indian/Australian, etc. accent ever
Or maybe his character, Littlefinger is a bit of a chameleon, modulating his accent to fit in and appease where needed. If I'm being generous.
rekil
to menny cranks
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
"classical training" has got nothing to with accents and its a pretty standard model used by any drama school in the uk or us. Doing a decent accent is down to having good mimicry skills and/or accent coaching. One advantage brit actors might have is that they are more used to hearing american accents than american actors are british ones.
Reno
The In Kraut
British training for actors is rooted in Shakespeare and geared towards stage acting, US acting is rooted in method acting propagated by Lee Strasberg and geared towards film acting. British classical training is concerned with voice training, stamina, breath control and physical transformation which sets the foundation for being able to take on completely different characters. Learning Shakespearean acting starts with being able to speak with a completely different syntax. The Method is a psychological approach which is geared to finding aspect of a character within the psychological make up of the actor. It doesn’t teach the technical aspects of British training to go outside yourself.
Many US films stars like Tom Cruise, who has been mocked for his attempts at accents, never had any formal training at all.
Why do you think British actors keep getting chosen over US actors for US roles in Hollywood films and TV ? They are far more versatile and resourceful. British actors get the technical foundation to immerse themselves in characters, US movie stars mostly play variations of themselves.
Of course there are exceptions on both sides. Meryl Streep’s approach is far more like that of a British actor, Michael Caine and Sean Connery never had any formal training and mostly played variations of themselves.
Innate talent for mimicry helps, as do dialect coaches, but on the whole British actors get chosen over US ones because of their training. It takes more than watching Starsky and Hutch on the telly to credibly inhabit a US character.
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
There's more of a historical grounding in theatre in the UK than US - but outside of the RSC, actors here or the US have similar training - and Stanislavsky techniques (or "method acting") are a dominant feature for both "Shakespearean acting" has more focus on diction and projection. I dont see that either has got anything to do with the ability to do accents. I dont believe that famous RSC alumni such as lawrence oliver, Patrick Stewart or judy dench are particularly noted for their facility with accents.
Reno
The In Kraut
Judi Dench's Irish accent in Philomena is considered to be one of the best by a non-Irish actor (I see no mention fo here here), Laurence Olivier worked at a time when far less attention was paid to national and historical authenticity and I'll give you Patrick Stewart. You can cherry pick as much as you like and find poor and good examples on either side, but when you ask US casting directors why British actors are dominating character roles in Hollywood is widely considered to be down to their training. With that comes that they master foreign accents better than their US counterparts and that is part training, part innate ability and part hiring a good dialect coach.
Are British Actors Better Trained Than Their American Counterparts? | BBC America
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
But your conflating two things -
1.your stating that british actors are better trained then american ones - possibly.
2. that british acting training - specifically shakespearean training - means they are better at accents - i see no evidence for this at all.
People are good at accents because of their natural ability as mimics . No amount of voice coaching is going to turn keanu reeves or michael caine into jane horrocks - and "shakespearean training" (which is kind of bollocks anyway tbh) will make no difference whatsoever. Think of it more like singing ability - coaching can improve technique - but its got to be there in the first place.
seriously - ive studied theatre, ive done a lot of acting and drama training. I can project my voice and do diction and all that - but Im not great at accents.
My partner is really good at them - shes done no acting training - but she is also very good at languages and has a very good musical ear, which may well be related.
rekil
to menny cranks
The Ross O'Carroll Kelly man in Last Kingdom.
Rebecca Ferguson in Doctor Sleep, Alice Krige in Gretel And Hansel and Essie Davis in The horribly botched true History Of The Kelly Gang. All guilty of IRA leprachaunery.
For what is probably a straightforward reason, Irish actor Pat McGrath plays an Irish character with a clipped bbc thenk yaw accent in ww2 haunted pub propaganda piece, Halfway House.
Rebecca Ferguson in Doctor Sleep, Alice Krige in Gretel And Hansel and Essie Davis in The horribly botched true History Of The Kelly Gang. All guilty of IRA leprachaunery.
For what is probably a straightforward reason, Irish actor Pat McGrath plays an Irish character with a clipped bbc thenk yaw accent in ww2 haunted pub propaganda piece, Halfway House.
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