Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
It's also about how Jimmy Hoffa was a saint and martyr. Watching Hoffa in action, I was reminded of Thomas Sankara's line about how the soldier with no political education is a criminal in waiting.
Martin Scorsese’s The Irishman to premiere at New York film festival
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Old, lonely bloke on his own in a nursing home. How sad.
Ah but the things he's seen, the stories he tells. They could make a film out them...
But how he got to be on his own in the nursing home, why his family have walked away and why his friends are all dead, and how he doesn't recognise his role any of this is one of the main story arcs isn't it?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes it is. And his inability to see this and bewilderment at his eventual fate are all there, although that makes it hard to really care tbh. Meanwhile 'all my friends are dead' is a common refrain among the very old, whatever their previous occupation.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I think he's shit in most things. He's a ham.I have a problem with Al Pacino for this reason. He can really grate on me sometimes. And in that film with that wig....oh my
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He's a film star. Rather than an actor.
Actors are people like Judi Dench, who create and inhabit different characters.
Film stars create and inhabit some version of their real selves that they turn out again and again on-screen more or less unchanged.
rekil
to menny cranks
He looked like he was doing an impression of Rob Brydon doing his impression of him complete with wide eyed stare and that tongue thing he's been doing for the last 30 years. It's even worse when you look at footage of Hoffa. Why bother with the wig at all.
Reno
The In Kraut
I’d disagree with that, Pacino is a great actor, he just gets typecast. He’s given plenty of performances which are low key and subtle (The Godfather, Serpico, Sea of Love) his agent in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood this year is barely recognisable as Pacino. He is a huge Shakespeare buff and has given acclaimed performances of his plays on stage.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not seen Once upon... yet. Looking forward to it. I'll take your word for it. He very certainly has a 'type' that he brings out, though, (and brought out here). I'm not necessarily knocking it - he brought this same type out for Glengarry Glen Ross, and it was a perfect fit for that role.
And a good film star - Cary Grant, Jimmy Stewart - can be a wonderful thing...
I like Pacino but not sure I can ever forgive him for Scent of a Woman.
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
Al Pacino is a fantastic actor. He has been typecast somewhat as Italian/American/Mafia linked...however he has branched away from that.
I loved him in The Merchant of Venice and I believe he is to play King Lear.
He was brilliant in Scent of A Woman.
I loved him in The Merchant of Venice and I believe he is to play King Lear.
He was brilliant in Scent of A Woman.
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Mrs Miggins
Eternal
Baronage-Phase
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Baronage-Phase
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It really has very little to do with most of the film.
I thought the film and Pacino were both terrible. And the whole Oscar thing was like Scorsese winning his for The Departed -- because they deserved one though absolutely not for that role/film.Yep well I thought so.
Baronage-Phase
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Scent Of A Woman is terrible and it's one of his worst performances
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
You're not going to put me off.. I still like Al Pacino. I still think he was great in scent of a woman.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
He's great in some of his 70s films but he seems to be running on empty these days. Didn't rate him in Once Upon A Time In America at all.
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
Did you see him in The Merchant Of Venice?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
No.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
It's not an exceptionally good film, though it is competently made. Pacino's performance is overblown and not exactly nuanced, but the character he plays is not the lead, he's more of a deus ex machina to facilitate the growth of Chris O'Donnell's character (who is the narrative focus).
For worse Pacino performances, consider the likes of Righteous Kill or 88 Minutes, where he is in the lead, or something like The Devil's Advocate (spoiler alert: THE TITLE IS LITERALLY THE TWIST) where he really does phone it in in some ridiculously overpaid little-more-than-a-cameo.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I have only seen a clip but there's one film in which he attempts a cockney accent. It ain't good.
Reno
The In Kraut
Pacino is great in Carlito‘s Way, a film which I find very underrated. He’s far from being shouty or OTT in it.
As to the The Irishman, I feel I should see it but have very little enthusiasm to do so. I haven’t really loved a film by Scorsese since Goodfellas. I don’t understand why he keeps being so acclaimed, for three decades now I found most of his films overblown bores and some like Shutter Island are just staggeringly shit.
As to the The Irishman, I feel I should see it but have very little enthusiasm to do so. I haven’t really loved a film by Scorsese since Goodfellas. I don’t understand why he keeps being so acclaimed, for three decades now I found most of his films overblown bores and some like Shutter Island are just staggeringly shit.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
He was shouty in Serpico and Dog Day Afternoon, and eventually in Godfather II. The shouting has been gaining volume for a long time....
Riklet
procrastinación
I want to see it but Scorsese moaning about people not watching at the cinema after doing the deal with Netflix... I mean fuck off what a stupid hypocrite.
But I actually agree. Will be crap on a laptop. I want to see it at the cinema but all the arty farty or independent places around here have stopped showing it, cant be bothered or are busy showing Frozen 2 three times a day.
But I actually agree. Will be crap on a laptop. I want to see it at the cinema but all the arty farty or independent places around here have stopped showing it, cant be bothered or are busy showing Frozen 2 three times a day.
