Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
sevenstars said:
For some reason you've spelt "factional whining and bluster from the rump SSP" as "honest appraisals".
Sheridan abandons hope for the SSP and tries to form new party
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For some reason you've spelt "factional whining and bluster from the rump SSP" as "honest appraisals".
JHE
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Dexter, should Aitken and Archer have gone to prison?
Clinton's mistake, BTW, was to bullshit ('mislead' he eventually conceded, 'lie' as others say). He could and should have said, 'Mind your own business!' Same goes for Sheridan.
What Sheridan did to the SSP has no parallel in Clinton's case.
Clinton's mistake, BTW, was to bullshit ('mislead' he eventually conceded, 'lie' as others say). He could and should have said, 'Mind your own business!' Same goes for Sheridan.
What Sheridan did to the SSP has no parallel in Clinton's case.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
You never fail to...disappoint.JHE said:
Sheridan's political opponents have used allegations of sex and outcries of morality, backed by a major media campaign, to have him removed from office.
There was no other allegation but sex, nothing criminal, nothing against the people who voted for him....no bungs, no bribes no turncoating on manifesto commitments. Like the unspoken commitment never to ally with scum like The Sun against another active Scottish socialist. Cast out the beam in thine own eye, as it were.
Of course, there was no public outcry for the removal of Clinton until they had managed to fan the flames into an inferno, and that took time, money and commitment. Just as they are currently doing, the SSP EC and Murdoch empire, with Sheridan. I'm not comparing Clinton and Sheridan as politicians, merely pointing out that this isn't the first time a politician has been attacked for his personal life when they couldn't attack his politics, with the people in his constituency who could vote him out.
So pardon me....it's like the Clinton case.
Of all the politicians who could be attacked in Scotland just now, believe me an anti-war, pro-union one who has gone to jail for normal people is not high on my list.
sevenstars
citizen army
Originally Posted by Nigel Irritable
For some reason you've spelt "factional whining and bluster from the rump SSP" as "honest appraisals".
Well thats your opinion, I think the way its written will appeal more to people who aren't in organisations like yours and the SWP.
I could have wasted some time picking apart Mike Gonzalez's peculiar take on the history of the SSP, but it was hard to know where to start!
As for factional whining, I'll leave that to your comrades in Scotland. I'm sure they will have a long and successful future as part of the latest SWP initiative/front up there.
For some reason you've spelt "factional whining and bluster from the rump SSP" as "honest appraisals".
Well thats your opinion, I think the way its written will appeal more to people who aren't in organisations like yours and the SWP.
I could have wasted some time picking apart Mike Gonzalez's peculiar take on the history of the SSP, but it was hard to know where to start!
As for factional whining, I'll leave that to your comrades in Scotland. I'm sure they will have a long and successful future as part of the latest SWP initiative/front up there.
JHE
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I pardon you (for that), but it's much less like the Clinton case than like the Aitken case or the Archer case.DexterTCN said:
There's a process.
1. Newspaper exposé of politician X
2. X insists dishonestly that it's lies, lies, lies and makes the foolish decision to sue
3. X lies through his teeth and the jury decides in favour of the lying X
4. X is shown to have committed perjury and perverted the course of justice and is sent to prison
Aitken & Archer have been through stages 1-4. Sheridan has been through stages 1-3. Stage 4 is coming.
Sheridan is not the only baddy of the piece and he is not the only person exposed by the whole sorry tale. The Sheridanites - the Social Workers, the CWI and others like Dexter - do not believe that Sheridan has told the truth. They know he's lied, in and out of court. They know he's defamed his comrades and friends in the SSP. They know he has torn the SSP apart.
They just think that's all OK. Tommy is a Great Man. Great Men are allowed to lie, defame their comrades and destroy their parties. The little people have their role, too. They should support the Great Man. They should commit perjury, if that serves the Great Man's vanity. The Great Man embodies the True Path, the General Will, the Interests of the Class or the Correct Line. If the little people fail to play their Historically Alloted Role as Liars for the Great Man, they are scabs. Shit on them, split from them, lie and lie about them. Build the Socialist Future on lies, slander, malice and the Great Man's rampant vanity.
Come on, Dexter. Answer the question. Should Aitken and Archer have gone to prison?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
sevenstars said:
It might appeal to the credulous, the gullible or the ignorant. The very notion that this factional shite could be described as "honest appraisals" is hilarious. The whole long-winded thing can essentially be boiled down to "we were right, we were great... well maybe we weren't hard enough on our enemies". Not much in the way of honesty or reappraisals to be found anywhere.
sevenstars
citizen army
Nigel Irritable said:
Well I could say that you are certainly the expert in factional shite, I suppose thats just how you think everyone else operates. And any supporters of TS might want to pause before demanding too much honesty from anyone else these days, really !
The SSP is appealing to a different sort of audience to people like you now. I think the CWI and the SWP are welcome to each other though, you have so much in common and I'm sure it will work out well.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
DexterTCN said:
More accurately News of the World owners and senior staff.
sevenstars
citizen army
Nigel Irritable said:
As opposed to going to swingers clubs with News of the World journalists that your having an affair with? Who was that again?
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
The difference between Judas Iscariot and Casanova?
Keep your knickers on mate, it's not Sunday and we're not in church (thought you lot were atheists). It's the tories and the religous nuts who're meant to be holier-than-thou.
Where is the concept of the bigger picture with you lot?
Shagging is not even in the same ballpark...it's not even the same sport. You lot keep shouting about Sheridan's alleged dalliances, but it's only you lot, deafening silence everyplace else. People don't care. And I don't mean that in a political sense of nyar nyar, I mean people just do not care.
Other Scottish socialists remember what Murdoch has done up here, but the second this lot get some power it's Animal Farm.
Keep your knickers on mate, it's not Sunday and we're not in church (thought you lot were atheists). It's the tories and the religous nuts who're meant to be holier-than-thou.
Where is the concept of the bigger picture with you lot?
Shagging is not even in the same ballpark...it's not even the same sport. You lot keep shouting about Sheridan's alleged dalliances, but it's only you lot, deafening silence everyplace else. People don't care. And I don't mean that in a political sense of nyar nyar, I mean people just do not care.
Other Scottish socialists remember what Murdoch has done up here, but the second this lot get some power it's Animal Farm.
sevenstars
citizen army
I really dont care about TS sex life, but he brought the News of The World into in the first place didnt he, by taking one of its journalists he was shagging to a sex club with him!
You say 'people just dont care', well isnt that the point? Why then couldnt TS just say 'no comment' or 'its my business and nobody elses' etc? Why drag it into a court and demand party members risk jail to maintain his fictional puritanical lifestyle, lying and humiliating past friends, lovers and comrades all along the way, while pocketing cash from the Sunday Mail?
A truly awful way for a socialist to behave. More Jeffrey Archer than Casonova really. Its not the swinging of course but the whole package of lies, bullying and egotism, and for what? To maintain his puritanical reputation ? It really disgusts me.
But I'm sure he's a very appropriate leader for the CWI/SWP alliance and you are welcome to him and each other.
You say 'people just dont care', well isnt that the point? Why then couldnt TS just say 'no comment' or 'its my business and nobody elses' etc? Why drag it into a court and demand party members risk jail to maintain his fictional puritanical lifestyle, lying and humiliating past friends, lovers and comrades all along the way, while pocketing cash from the Sunday Mail?
A truly awful way for a socialist to behave. More Jeffrey Archer than Casonova really. Its not the swinging of course but the whole package of lies, bullying and egotism, and for what? To maintain his puritanical reputation ? It really disgusts me.
But I'm sure he's a very appropriate leader for the CWI/SWP alliance and you are welcome to him and each other.
DexterTCN said:
Oh my god, they haven't dug out that old porn film now have they? I can see it all now - someone in the ssp will superimpose Tommy Sheridan's head onto one of the actors and flog it to the news of the world. Then the ssp msp's will make statements to the press about tommy being satan. Which one of 'em is the MSP for salum anyway?
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
I'm sorry, but I completely don't understand that reference and Wikipedia doesn't give any sensible clue as to what or where "salum" is.nwnm said:
Multimap discloses a township on Tiree - is that it?
JHE
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I guess you mean Salem (and I'm surprised you don't insist on renaming it al-Quds).nwnm said:
In any case, isn't it your nasty lot who've insisted on shouting 'witch' at women whose honesty annoys them? The SSP have not called Big Tommy a witch. They've just pointed out that he's a vicious lying bastard who's shat all over his friends and comrades.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Are you going to explain the "salum" reference?nwnm said:
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
That's your problem though isn't it. It's only them and their friends who are sayinng it.JHE said:
While siding with (ad nauseum now) Murdoch.
You see they can call him a lying scumbag as much as they want....but the basic fact is that they have sold out. They have sided with a right wing empire.
Claiming to be Luke Skywalker and sucking the emperor's cock, if I can mix Kevin Smith and Bill Hicks.
And no...it's true...the SSP have not, as yet, called Sheridan a witch...but NWM's reference was about witch-hunts. And they certainly have been doing that.
q_w_e_r_t_y
You see an investment scam and I see divinity
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JHE
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Is it? Are you sure? I regret what Tommy has done to his comrades, but (i) I'm not in the SSP, let alone one of the people defamed by your Dear Leader, and (ii) I'm not the one who's going to prison.DexterTCN said:
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BTW, when my spell-checker encounters 'DexterTCN' is suggests 'distorting'. Perceptive or what?
The full set of suggestions for DexterTCN is as follows.
Extorting
Textron
Dexedrine
Texturing
Distorting
DECstation
(No offence intended.)
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Instead of a spell-checker you need a reality checker, mate.
Where did you see a post saying I was a member? All my posts have been on the basis of being a left-wing Scottish floating voter, as I've said many times.
'Dear leader' aye?
You agree that a libel action, a civil action, decided by a jury of peers should be overturned by 3 judges then? Or is that only when you don't like the decision? Next you'll be saying Sheridan should be executed, like others of your ilk.
Where did you see a post saying I was a member? All my posts have been on the basis of being a left-wing Scottish floating voter, as I've said many times.
'Dear leader' aye?
You agree that a libel action, a civil action, decided by a jury of peers should be overturned by 3 judges then? Or is that only when you don't like the decision? Next you'll be saying Sheridan should be executed, like others of your ilk.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Oh right - I've got it. You were referring to the Salem Witch Trials in 1692 which inspired Arthur Miller's play "The Crucible".nwnm said:
It started with powerful men explaining the behaviour of women they could not control as arising from posession by evil spirits and witchcraft. It ended after the executions for witchcraft in Salem, Massachusetts of 14 women and 6 men, and the imprisonment of 150 more people.
I see the analogy now. Yes, Tommy Sheridan - he's the victim here.
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