Sharia law being imposed in London "Muslim areas"

[ymu]

was it because they were buddhists though?

...just as are islamists a reactionary threat to progressive politics, just because they are muslims?

I'd agree with lots of what's in dylans's excellent posts, n argue not. they most definitely are a reactionary threat however.

You need to track back and look at the context of the post. Spiney is saying the precise opposite of "it's because they're Buddhist/Muslim. Or Catholic/Protestant/Jewish/Hindu - odd how this terrorism bug strikes religious populations, seemingly at random, eh.

 

[SpineyNorman]

You need to track back and look at the context of the post. Spiney is saying the precise opposite of "it's because they're Buddhist/Muslim. Or Catholic/Protestant/Jewish/Hindu - odd how this terrorism bug strikes religious populations, seemingly at random, eh.

Even weirder, it only tends to strike in areas that have been invaded or subjugated in some way. It's almost like it's more than mere coincidence isn't it?

 

[DotCommunist]

it becomes worse when an invading or influencing power deliberately fosters the power of one religious grouping over the other in an often succsefult attempt to divide then rule.

Luckily the british have never done that ever so will never have to worry. Thank god for that.

 

[Yossarian]

Among the world's religions, Islam does seem to generate the most antipathy, around the world, and does seem to be involved in the greatest number of outrages. Is this perhaps a consequence of selective news reporting, or is there something real behind it?

There's an element of selective reporting - the Kony horrors in central Africa don't tend to be reported as Christian outrages, and the Thai government's viciousness in the southern provinces isn't generally portrayed as Buddhist brutality.

 

[jelavicroad]

Accidentaly walking by ? I don't know anything about the area but if you wanna walk past wearing hot pants pissed up or two men holdiing hands wearing cowboy outfitts what right has anybody got to judge them outrageous I hope this is an isolated incident because its a disgrace and I hope this sharia law thing is an isolated incident

 

[ymu]

Of course it's an isolated incident. Fuck's sake. Do you worry that the Westboro Baptist Church might not be an isolated incident but actually indicative of what Christians are aiming for?

 

[jelavicroad]

Of course it's an isolated incident. Fuck's sake. Do you worry that the Westboro Baptist Church might not be an isolated incident but actually indicative of what Christians are aiming for?

Point taken and I don't appreciate you implying that I was hinting at a wider conspiracy to implicate shariia law but do you honestly believe that this is not happening in some areas I am one of the most liberal people about and I'm sure we all know the scummy right wiingers are corrupting certain areas all I'm saying is people shoyldnt be afraid to walk by any areas for fear of offending anyone

 

[jelavicroad]

Point taken and I don't appreciate you implying that I was hinting at a wider conspiracy to implicate shariia law but do you honestly believe that this is not happening in some areas I am one of the most liberal people about and I'm sure we all know the scummy right wiingers are corrupting certain areas all I'm saying is people shoyldnt be afraid to walk by any areas for fear of offending anyone

obv by scummy right wingers I mean edl bnp and the other knuckle heads before sumone deecides to brand me a racistt

 

[ymu]

Point taken and I don't appreciate you implying that I was hinting at a wider conspiracy to implicate shariia law but do you honestly believe that this is not happening in some areas I am one of the most liberal people about and I'm sure we all know the scummy right wiingers are corrupting certain areas all I'm saying is people shoyldnt be afraid to walk by any areas for fear of offending anyone

Of course it's happening in some areas, and it is actively opposed by the majority of Muslims in those areas.

I wasn't implying that you were hinting at a wider conspiracy, I was pointing out that it is completely illogical to think that there might be one. As is the idea that walking past a mosque in western clothing might offend anyone apart from the nutty extremes. If you wanted to go inside, you would need to observe hijab (modest dress for both men and women) but most mosques have spare clothing available for precisely this purpose.

 

[ymu]

obv by scummy right wingers I mean edl bnp and the other knuckle heads before sumone deecides to brand me a racistt

There are Muslim scummy right-wingers too - the very people in the OP in fact - fucking up their areas no less than the BNP and the EDL. It's not racist to point this out. It is racist to judge all Muslims by the actions of the extremes, when you wouldn't judge all white people by the actions of the EDL.

And before you assume I'm branding you as a racist, I'm not. I'm just pointing out how easily people extrapolate the actions of a few to an entire demographic when that demographic is 'other' when they would find it absurd for someone to judge them by the extremes of their own demographic.

 

[jelavicroad]

There are Muslim scummy right-wingers too - the very people in the OP in fact - fucking up their areas no less than the BNP and the EDL. It's not racist to point this out. It is racist to judge all Muslims by the actions of the extremes, when you wouldn't judge all white people by the actions of the EDL.

And before you assume I'm branding you as a racist, I'm not. I'm just pointing out how easily people extrapolate the actions of a few to an entire demographic when that demographic is 'other' when they would find it absurd for someone to judge them by the extremes of their own demographic.

ok your post is spot on but comparing the christian example the guy was a lone nutter im just saying people are in complete denial about areas in big cities that are being corrupted by extremists because of unemployment social factors etc and the goverment refuses to acknowledge this

 

[ymu]

ok your post is spot on but comparing the christian example the guy was a lone nutter im just saying people are in complete denial about areas in big cities that are being corrupted by extremists because of unemployment social factors etc and the goverment refuses to acknowledge this

I haven't mentioned a lone nutter, I mentioned one extreme Christian church, of which there are many. If you want a comprehensive list of Christian nutters making life more miserable than it need be in their communities, it would take a while...

The far right usually prospers at times of economic decline. Germany in the 1930s being the most obvious case. Extremist nutters are extremist nutters. Their use of race or religion to promote their cause has fuck all to do with race or religion.

The government fucking loves it. They actively promote it. Allow lots of immigration, but keep those people waiting in limbo with no right to work for years on end whilst using racist dog whistles to get people to turn on them. The employers get cheap labour and the workers are too busy fighting each other to point the finger at the rich cunts who are robbing them blind.

 

[jelavicroad]

l i thought we were talking about the red neck burning the books i dont doubt there are at all if u want to list some ill gladly take a look

 

[jelavicroad]

I haven't mentioned a lone nutter, I mentioned one extreme Christian church, of which there are many. If you want a comprehensive list of Christian nutters making life more miserable than it need be in their communities, it would take a while...

The far right usually prospers at times of economic decline. Germany in the 1930s being the most obvious case. Extremist nutters are extremist nutters. Their use of race or religion to promote their cause has fuck all to do with race or religion.

The government fucking loves it. They actively promote it. Allow lots of immigration, but keep those people waiting in limbo with no right to work for years on end whilst using racist dog whistles to get people to turn on them. The employers get cheap labour and the workers are too busy fighting each other to point the finger at the rich cunts who are robbing them blind.

true that disillusioned youth unemployed angry and the extremists give them sumone to blame and vent their anger might explain football hooliganism coming back conservative goverments do seem to be a common theme aswell

 

[ymu]

l i thought we were talking about the red neck burning the books i dont doubt there are at all if u want to list some ill gladly take a look

You want a list of unacceptable behaviour by extremist Christians? I've already said that list would take a while. Have you not noticed any for yourself? Picketing abortion clinics and murdering doctors who provide abortions? Trying to cure homosexuality? Turning away gay customers? Promoting abstinence instead of condoms in Africa? Killing the move to introduce female bishops despite the majority of the C of E being in favour? The EDL?

 

[jelavicroad]

mostly american ones those mind and yeah outrageous behaviour which is disgracefull but i like to think the uk is liberal over there mind its not swept under the rug like here

 

[ymu]

Not mostly American at all. Only the murdering of abortion doctors has not happened here. (British Catholics are involved in th Catholic Church's genocidal activity in Africa). Half of them are explicitly British: turning away gay customers has been the subject of several recent court cases, and the C of E and the EDL are obviously not American phenomena.

The EDL are the mirror image of the cunts in the OP. You shouldn't need to go further than them to know that this behaviour is clearly not more prevalent amongst Muslims.

EDL threatens to close towns which aren't Christian enough. (at them, not you)

 

[jelavicroad]

i stand corrected and i do remember the b and b case with the christians the edl are defo the worst weve seen em before with the national front/bnp whipping up hatred alll im saying is nobody seems to want to acknowledge anybody else doing the same

 

[ymu]

I don't know how you can say that. If you read the link, the precise opposite seems to be true. The media routinely demonise Muslims, whip up hysteria whenever any are arrested but never follow up when the case collapses, yet barely report cases where right-wing extremists have been caught with massive arms caches.

 

[jelavicroad]

im not singling out any group here please dont take me outta context

 

[ymu]

I didn't accuse you of singling out any group. I just don't understand how you can say that the EDL get a worse press than extremist Muslims (or young black men or any other demonised demographic, eg single mothers, people on benefits, people in council housing, teenagers).

You never see the media extrapolating from the likes of Archer and Aitken to all rich white men. They shit on the least powerful so that people don't focus on how they are being screwed over by the truly powerful.

 

[jelavicroad]

I didn't accuse you of singling out any group. I just don't understand how you can say that the EDL get a worse press than extremist Muslims (or young black men, or any other demonised demographic, eg single mothers, people on benefits, people in council housing).

You never see the media extrapolating from the likes of Archer and Aitken to all rich white men. They shit on the least powerful so that people don't focus on how they are being screwed over by the truly powerful.

again agreed totaly expenses masons etc but there are issues being ignored thats all im gonna say on the matter

 

[smokedout]

Accidentaly walking by ? I don't know anything about the area but if you wanna walk past wearing hot pants pissed up or two men holdiing hands wearing cowboy outfitts what right has anybody got to judge them outrageous I hope this is an isolated incident because its a disgrace and I hope this sharia law thing is an isolated incident

I'd be surprised if this happened more than once, particularly in whitechapel. it's a high risk operation and all they needed was the video to get what they wanted.

 

[jelavicroad]

I'd be surprised if this happened more than once, particularly in whitechapel. it's a high risk operation and all they needed was the video to get what they wanted.

like i said i dont know the demographics of the area

 

[ymu]

Why would the demographics make any difference? There aren't any areas where this would go down well with the Muslim population. If I'm misunderstanding you, I apologise, but you do seem to be saying that Muslims rather than extremists are the problem.

 

[Frank Merton]

Marxist-ly naive lol

This post really doesn't merit a considered response, since it's just a load of hand waving bollocks. So I'll just offer you this:

Buddhists were doing suicide bombings years before the Islamists even thought about it.

I can't figure why some people are so rude. We all know about self-immolations; there is a big difference between that and setting off bombs to kill people in the market.

 

[ymu]

I can't figure why some people are so rude. We all know about self-immolations; there is a big difference between that and setting off bombs to kill people in the market.

He's not talking about self-immolation. He's talking about the Tamil Tigers, who were the first suicide bombers (barring Samson and kamikaze pilots) and last time I checked had clocked up more suicide bombings than all of Islam combined.

Odd how we never hear about it ... it's almost like there's a hidden agenda.

 

[Frank Merton]

He's not talking about self-immolation. He's talking about the Tamil Tigers, who were the first suicide bombers (barring Samson and kamikaze pilots) and last time I checked had clocked up more suicide bombings than all of Islam combined.

Odd how we never hear about it ... it's almost like there's a hidden agenda.

I think the Tamil Tigers were Hindu, you might check on that. Regardless, Buddhism is not a pacifist religion, although pacifism is often encouraged and ignored -- like vegetarianism.

During the American war there were several monks who immolated themselves to protest the Roman Catholic government's efforts to suppress Buddhism. They are now celebrated with squares and roundabouts named after them, in spite of the government's ambivalence toward religions. There have also been a few cases of this in Tibet recently.

Japanese Buddhist behavior during the second world war is a matter of much discussion in SE Asia, and much hand wringing. Buddhists almost never will reject another flavor of Buddhism (they are called "sects," but that is misleading since none of them deny the validity or value of the others), so the validity of Japanese Buddhist un-Buddhist like behavior is not brought up, leading to a true internal contradiction.

 

[BigTom]

l i thought we were talking about the red neck burning the books i dont doubt there are at all if u want to list some ill gladly take a look

Nah, that's "pastor" Terry Jones iirc, the westboro baptist church are the idiots with "god hates fags" placards who picket military funerals and such like, court controversy to get headlines basically.

 

[ymu]

I think the Tamil Tigers were Hindu, you might check on that. Regardless, Buddhism is not a pacifist religion, although pacifism is often encouraged and ignored -- like vegetarianism.

During the American war there were several monks who immolated themselves to protest the Roman Catholic government's efforts to suppress Buddhism. They are now celebrated with squares and roundabouts named after them, in spite of the government's ambivalence toward religions. There have also been a few cases of this in Tibet recently.

Japanese Buddhist behavior during the second world war is a matter of much discussion in SE Asia, and much hand wringing. Buddhists almost never will reject another flavor of Buddhism (they are called "sects," but that is misleading since none of them deny the validity or value of the others), so the validity of Japanese Buddhist un-Buddhist like behavior is not brought up, leading to a true internal contradiction.

The Tamil Tigers include members from virtually every religion apart from Islam (primarily Buddhist, Hindu and Christian - no idea about the relative proportions). Their targets are primarily Muslim and Christian.

Oh look. Christians killing Christians. How weird. Never seen that before.