Sharia law being imposed in London "Muslim areas"

[cantsin]

You'd have to ask someone with religious belief.

My point is,if muslims want to have areas where people want different religious laws they need to adopt something along the lines of eruv's. They have eruv's in the UK I believe. Communities should have the right of self-determination.

The people who set up the eruvs have done so with the support of the local government and one would assume with the support of the local community, the muslims should do the same if that is what they want, if they get the support of the local community they should be treated the same as other religious groups.

eruv rules/laws etc only apply to observant jews , and are not intended to have effect on non jews within the designated area, so no real comparison ?

 

[1%er]

eruv rules/laws etc only apply to observant jews , and are not intended to have effect on non jews within the designated area, so no real comparison ?

Its the area rather than the use I'm interested in (I don't expect muslims to give up the qur'an and take up the tanakh) . I could see a local council in the UK supporting an area with a dress code and drinks ban around a mosque

It would liven this place up lol

 

[teqniq]

Then they should do just that. If they believe their actions are right they need to convince the community.

What?

 

[Favelado]

Nicked.

 

[miss direct]

errrr that's pathetic...I live in a country where 95% of people are Muslim, but never heard of anything like this!

 

[dylans]

Two people arrested and charged with GBH and public order offences

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/22/muslim-patrol-london-police-arrests

 

[goldenecitrone]

They can impose Sharia Law in their prison cells for all eternity. Or until they get released.

 

[butchersapron]

Any news on which incident the GBH case might be? If any.

 

[Reno]

Is there? The few gays I know near me haven't mentioned it. I agree if it does happen of course report to the OB.

If you are gay and you go out in Shoreditch you should be aware that there has been a rise in homophobic incidents in the area over the last few years. There were lots of posters in gay bars and clubs warning people to be careful. The more high profile cases were a homophobic sticker campaign by extremist muslims, an attack by a gang on punters at the (mostly gay) George and Dragon and Oliver Hemsley who was paralysed when he was stabbed in the spine in a homophobic attack on his way to the George and Dragon.

 

[Buckaroo]

Three more arrests today.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/24/muslim-patrol-gang-arrests-homophobic-video

 

[Giles]

Probably just as well for them that they got caught before they tried their shit on the wrong person and ended up hurt or dead.

Giles..

 

[Schmetterling]

If you are gay and you go out in Shoreditch you should be aware that there has been a rise in homophobic incidents in the area over the last few years. There were lots of posters in gay bars and clubs warning people to be careful. The more high profile cases were a homophobic sticker campaign by extremist muslims, an attack by a gang on punters at the (mostly gay) George and Dragon and Oliver Hemsley who was paralysed when he was stabbed in the spine in a homophobic attack on his way to the George and Dragon.

On the upside; in the last two-three months I noticed two male gay couples holding hands - outside of Soho that is! One couple on Bow Road and the other at Westfield Stratford. Though I only noticed - and even want to mention it - because it is still so rare. *booooooh*

 

[Citizen66]

How do you know they were gay? Although it seems likely, them holding hands isn't conclusive evidence.

 

[Reno]

On the upside; in the last two-three months I noticed two male gay couples holding hands - outside of Soho that is! One couple on Bow Road and the other at Westfield Stratford. Though I only noticed - and even want to mention it - because it is still so rare. *booooooh*

It's not rare in Soho which is because of the high density of gay people there due to all the gay bars and businesses, is safest zone for gay people in London. Mind a bit of a decade ago I landed in hospital for doing just that with my boyfriend in Oxford St, getting my face punched in. Society as a whole is getting much more accepting of gay people while there are certain groups in London who are still very rabidly homophobic, generally in trhe neame of god, be that a radical muslim or fundamentalist christian god.

 

[rover07]

Quakers ban Tesco from selling alcohol in Birmingham's 'dry' zone.

http://www.birminghampost.net/news/...objectid=18811835&siteid=50002-name_page.html

 

[Reno]

How do you know they were gay? Although it seems likely, them holding hands isn't conclusive evidence.

Really, how many straight men walk down the street in London holding hands ? Even the men from cultures where that is considered socially acceptable for straigh men to do (India, Pakistan, some Mediteranian and Arabic countries) don't do that here.

 

[Citizen66]

Really, how many straight men walk down the street in London holding hands ?

How would I know? If I see men holding hands I don't run up to them and quiz them on their sexuality.

 

[framed]

How would I know? If I see men holding hands I don't run up to them and quiz them on their sexuality.

This type of public display in the street or park makes me very angry. It's not something that I want my children to see, there ought to be a law against it.

And I'm not talking about their sexuality... Celtic and Rangers holding hands? Fcuking disgrace!

 

[Schmetterling]

It's not rare in Soho which is because of the high density of gay people there due to all the gay bars and businesses, is safest zone for gay people in London. Mind a bit of a decade ago I landed in hospital for doing just that with my boyfriend in Oxford St, getting my face punched in. Society as a whole is getting much more accepting of gay people while there are certain groups in London who are still very rabidly homophobic, generally in trhe neame of god, be that a radical muslim or fundamentalist christian god.

I know. Been going to Soho since 1985. I noticed.
2nd bit in bold: Bastards!

How do you know they were gay? Although it seems likely, them holding hands isn't conclusive evidence.

Jaysus!

 

[Reno]

How would I know? If I see men holding hands I don't run up to them and quiz them on their sexuality.

I'm gay, I have gaydar ! Seriously we generally know our kind because we have to and I don't see straight men holding hands.

You still can you put yourself in serious physical harm in London if you display affection with another man in public, some parts of town more than others, so straight men are not going to run that risk and walk down the road holding hands with their chums apart from that this is just not something straight men do in this country. The braver and more idealistic gay men will do it. I don't do it anymore, because I can't be done with the homophobic abuse.

You are posing a theretical scenario as one does on these forums, but you have no idea how much we still have to take care and therefore you can be theoretical and flippant about this. I can't.

 

[Pickman's model]

This type of public display in the street or park makes me very angry. It's not something that I want my children to see, there ought to be a law against it.

And I'm not talking about their sexuality... Celtic and Rangers holding hands? Fcuking disgrace!

it's clear what's happening in that picture. the celtic fan is helping the rangers fan back to the richard gough home for the terminally bewildered.

 

[likesfish]

Quakers ban Tesco from selling alcohol in Birmingham's 'dry' zone.

http://www.birminghampost.net/news/...objectid=18811835&siteid=50002-name_page.html

Well rather more community support for that stand and a long running tradition rather than some self appointed group using threats

 

[BigTom]

Well rather more community support for that stand and a long running tradition rather than some self appointed group using threats

Yep this is absolutely true and why it puts the lie to the EDL stuff so clearly - not only is this quakers and not muslims but it is happening because, and only because, there is widescale community support for it, unlike the fanatical muslims.
As they keep banging on about Sharia Law, it's a nice bit irony that one of the only places in the UK which is actually dry is Christian, and so many of them want a return to christian values. I don't know who on this board lives nearer Bournville than me and could say whether or not there are by laws to make drinking in public illegal in certain places there, as there are in a lot of places around Birmingham (as a way to harass street drinkers mostly).

 

[two sheds]

(as a way to harass street drinkers mostly).

Makes a change from the other way round

 

[Fez909]

Well rather more community support for that stand and a long running tradition rather than some self appointed group using threats

This is a guess, rather than a result of research, but I'm sure the long-running tradition there is similar to that which used to be in place in Saltaire. In Saltaire, Titus Salt refused a pub to be built in his village because he was worried that his workers' performance would suffer and so he'd make less money.

So it's not a tradition in the usual sense, and not something I'd support if I was a resident of Bournville. Although I would be quite happy voting to keep Tesco out.

Saltaire is no longer 'dry', and has a bar directly opposite his famous mill called Don't Tell Titus

 

[dylans]

Quakers ban Tesco from selling alcohol in Birmingham's 'dry' zone.

http://www.birminghampost.net/news/...objectid=18811835&siteid=50002-name_page.html

I went to school in that area and it has always been dry, historically due to the influence of the Cadbury family who are quakers and own half of the area

 

[Fez909]

I went to school in that area and it has always been dry, historically due to the influence of the Cadbury family who are quakers and own half of the area

OK, so I was on the right lines. It was not through community choice, but a paternalistic view held by the local landowner.

 

[dylans]

OK, so I was on the right lines. It was not through community choice, but a paternalistic view held by the local landowner.

Yup and the extraordinary power they wield ( or at least used to wield) in local politics. They used to employ everyone at the factory, loads of them were magistrates, councillors, industrialists, educationalists, philanthropists etc. One of them was mayor. I think their influence is less now but it used to be very strong and they were morally opposed to booze.

The Cadbury chocolate factory actually began as a coffee and cocoa.drinking chocolate shop in 1824 set up by John Cadbury to offer an alternative to alcohol.

Bit of a family tree on them here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadbury_family

 

[BigTom]

When it was setup certainly, but the petition got 1,000 signatures, that's got to be a fair proportion of the residents of Bournville. It's more than possible this was simply because it's Tesco, but the fact remains that there are no off licences in Bournville, and whilst it'd be hard to setup a pub as there'd be no real suitable buildings, if the community wanted off licences, there'd be no reason for them not to be there. I'm not convinced the Cadbury family have that much influence locally or really care that much about Bournville anymore for it to be down to them directly - though of course they created the place and the culture.

 

[dylans]

When it was setup certainly, but the petition got 1,000 signatures, that's got to be a fair proportion of the residents of Bournville. It's more than possible this was simply because it's Tesco, but the fact remains that there are no off licences in Bournville, and whilst it'd be hard to setup a pub as there'd be no real suitable buildings, if the community wanted off licences, there'd be no reason for them not to be there. I'm not convinced the Cadbury family have that much influence locally or really care that much about Bournville anymore for it to be down to them directly - though of course they created the place and the culture.

As I recall the village of Bournville is run by some kind of trust and I guess they continue to follow the quaker ethic. But yeah I agree the days of the Cadbury family influence is over. I think its more that their ethos has seeped into the local culture.