Gumbert said:this is what i was getting at though you yourself dont mention the word *zionist* do you...
Well, Zionism is the manifestation of that radicalization, but it is incidental to the fact that radicalization occurred.
Gumbert said:this is what i was getting at though you yourself dont mention the word *zionist* do you...
energy said:Well, Zionism is the manifestation of that radicalization, but it is incidental to the fact that radicalization occurred.
so let me get this straight... Due to the pogroms that date back to prussian times etc jews became 'radicalised'...in what way? and i do mean politically speaking....energy said:Well, Zionism is the manifestation of that radicalization, but it is incidental to the fact that radicalization occurred.
Gumbert said:so let me get this straight... Due to the pogroms that date back to prussian times etc jews became 'radicalised'...in what way? and i do mean politically speaking....
energy said:Actually, I'm watching Israeli TV channel 1 http://mabat.iba.org.il
They have a live TV news feed at the moment. It's very hard to get access, and I keep losing the link, but it seems that no-one is getting anything kicked out of them.
That picture doesn't prove anything.
So you and your porno-violence fantansies can fuck off!
and zionism is still only incidental?energy said:FFS, the programs that happened in the 1880s, 1890s, 1900s, 1910s, anti-semitism in many countries, and everything that has happened since: holocaust, fighting with Palestinians and Arab states, internal conflicts between Jews, etc. It all adds up, like a snowball rolling down a hill.
What a load of crap. The statement is meaningless. If we go back thousands of years there won't be anyone who doesn't have historical ties with everyone else and everywhere on the planet (except for Antarctica).mears said:No, but historical ties to the land go back thousands of years on both sides.
Gumbert said:and zionism is still only incidental?
redsquirrel said:What a load of crap. The statement is meaningless. If we go back thousands of years there won't be anyone who doesn't have historical ties with everyone else and everywhere on the planet (except for Antarctica).
Don David Ovich said:seven of his brothers and sisters had been murdered by the Nazis in Auschwitz. "Some compare Sharon to the Nazis. I say you can't compare because the Nazis weren't as bad as Sharon. The Nazis didn't fight their own people," he said.
energy said:Twat
AH, i get you, i think... Zionism is radicalised jews?energy said:The name/details/doctrines of the ideology itself are incidental to the act of become radicalized.
Gumbert said:AH, i get you, i think... Zionism is radicalised jews?
mears said:Its a complicated situation as most conflicts are complicated.
Not for the European left however, its all cut and dry for them. Like a child they have figured it all out. Palestinians good, Israelis bad.
Mighty intellectuals I tell you.
Dyno said:I heard on the radio this morning that some Iraeli woman set herself on fire!
Er I specifically excluded Antarctic as it was uninhabited.energy said:No, that's not true. Do you, your family, and your ancestors pray in the direction of Antarctica?
Gumbert said:and zionism is still only incidental?
energy said:Radicalization occurred, and Zionism developed as a consequence. That is why there have been many different Zionist sub-ideologies over the years, some of which are very different from others.
Except there is no non-nationalist or for that matter non-racist Zionism. It is inherently a colonial ideology.ViolentPanda said:I get sick of having to explain to people that it's a particular form of nationalist-Zionism that is behind the current troubles, and not Zionism per se.
ViolentPanda said:Quite.
I get sick of having to explain to people that it's a particular form of nationalist-Zionism that is behind the current troubles, and not Zionism per se.
bolshiebhoy said:Except there is no non-nationalist or for that matter non-racist Zionism. It is inherently a colonial ideology.
Surely Zionism is inherently racist and exclusionist, being a form of racial nationalism and allViolentPanda said:That's interesting.
So you're saying that the various forms of collectivist Zionism which may or may not have involved the "re-settlement" of Israel, are all racist, colonialist and nationalist?
Care to elucidate?
As you can probably tell, I'd be very interested to hear your answer.
Loki said:Is the Israeli army going to leave those fine houses for the Palestinans to live in or are they gonna demolish them?