Scottish independence - as an Englishman, am I "wrong" not to give a crap?

[littlebabyjesus]

No its not that's reality you will have no choice but to accept what we decide and work with us either way, you have no place in the debate or to try too fluence our decision, despite your po?iticians best efforts to do so.

I would use the analogy of a divorce. If one party in a marriage wants to leave, ultimately there is nothing the other can do to stop them, but it is clearly very much their business whether or not the divorce happens, and they very much have a place in any conversation that takes place before the divorce. At this point, we're still at the stage where the party thinking about divorcing hasn't even made the decision yet either way.

 

[charliechalk]

What analogy you would use is irrelevant, the fact is Intl law says its none of your business.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What analogy you would use is irrelevant, the fact is Intl law says its none of your business.

Ah, another one of your 'facts'.

 

[charliechalk]

Correct. Its also the same reason your pm used to bottle out of a debate with our FM.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The narrow-minded Scottish nationalists have been a bit thin on the ground on Urban. CC here provides a rare sighting. Their arguments are as hopeless as the arguments of the narrow-minded British nationalists on the other side of the debate.

 

[charliechalk]

Positively swimming with smarmy nobodies wanting to poke their nose into other peoples business though eh

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Positively swimming with smarmy nobodies wanting to poke their nose into other peoples business though eh

Other peoples' business?

The UK?

That's the business of everyone who lives in the UK, surely?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Other peoples' business?

The UK?

That's the business of everyone who lives in the UK, surely?

No. International Law says so.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Positively swimming with smarmy nobodies wanting to poke their nose into other peoples business though eh

You have no arguments beyond vague sentiment and made-up 'facts'. You're exactly the kind of 'yes' advocate that the 'no' campaign is geared up to counter. And given the hopeless nature of the 'no' campaign, that ought to tell you something about the nature of your position.

 

[charliechalk]

Other peoples' business?

The UK?

That's the business of everyone who lives in the UK, surely?

Its a referendum about Scotland not the UK

And yes Intl law does say so, it is illegal to try to influence the outcome of an election in another country

 

[charliechalk]

You have no arguments beyond vague sentiment and made-up 'facts'. You're exactly the kind of 'yes' advocate that the 'no' campaign is geared up to counter. And given the hopeless nature of the 'no' campaign, that ought to tell you something about the nature of your position.

Its not your argument so your opinion is irrelevant either way

 

[butchersapron]

Its a referendum about Scotland not the UK

And yes Intl law does say so, it is illegal to try to influence the outcome of an election in another country

What election is that then?

 

[charliechalk]

Or a referendum. Pedantry doesn't make you any less wrong.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Its a referendum about Scotland not the UK

It's a referendum about Scotland AND the UK.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

And yes Intl law does say so, it is illegal to try to influence the outcome of an election in another country

One tiny problem with that (one of many). Under INTERNATIONAL LAW, Scotland isn't another country yet.

You keep citing international law, yet it is clear that you understand about as much about it as you do percentages.

 

[charliechalk]

It's a referendum about Scotland AND the UK.

No its not don't be so stupid its nothing to do with the UK, its about how Scotland wants to be governed.

 

[charliechalk]

One tiny problem with that (one of many). Under INTERNATIONAL LAW, Scotland isn't another country yet.

You keep citing international law, yet it is clear that you understand about as much about it as you do percentages.

Actually Nigel it is, but that doesn't matter anyway as we are a nation and nations are also protected

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Actually Nigel it is, but that doesn't matter anyway as we are a nation and nations are also protected

Cite me the particular passages of Int Law, then. I don't think you understand the first thing about International Law, which is a very murky, rather nebulous and highly disputed place.

 

[teqniq]

mind you, this thread is the wank, arsehatted cousin to the actual sensible one so I am happy to see the walls smeared with shit and gabba being played at volume 110%

Wob Wob Wob Wob

Christ, isn't that music a tad loud? And is that shit I can smell?

No, it hasn't gotten any better. In fact it may have detereiorated somewhat

 

[charliechalk]

Google it nigl, how arrogant is it to think everybody needs to justify themselves to you how very English you're not the king and us your loyal subjects, if you doubt somethi g I've said go and prove it wrong.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

No its not don't be so stupid its nothing to do with the UK, its about how Scotland wants to be governed.

Of course it's to do with the UK. And don't be so rude!

 

[Frankie Jack]

Can all those who oppose Independence tell me their valid economical and social reasons why we should stay?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Google it nigl, how arrogant is it to think everybody needs to justify themselves to you how very English you're not the king and us your loyal subjects, if you doubt somethi g I've said go and prove it wrong.

Nah. Generally speaking on here, if you can't back up factual statements, people assume you're talking out of your arse.

I'm Welsh, btw, but don't let that worry your bigoted little head.

 

[charliechalk]

Of course it's to do with the UK. And don't be so rude!

Its not

 

[butchersapron]

Nah. Generally speaking on here, if you can't back up factual statements, people assume you're talking out of your arse.

I'm Welsh, btw, but don't let that worry your bigoted little head.

That's just about a welsh name now isn't it? Most Nigels i know are welsh.

 

[charliechalk]

Nah. Generally speaking on here, if you can't back up factual statements, people assume you're talking out of your arse.

I'm Welsh, btw, but don't let that worry your bigoted little head.

People can assume anything they want that doesn't mean anything to anyone. You can't prove anything g wrong is what you really mean, but just seek to undermine anyway. And you are the bigot Nigel, you're the one who started the racist terminology I am merely replying in kind.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That's just about a welsh name now isn't it? Most Nigels i know are welsh.

Yeah, that's true.

 

[andysays]

Its not your argument so your opinion is irrelevant either way

 

[cesare]

 

[charliechalk]

That's racist, would you post a golliwog if we were talking about Nigeria? Absolute disgrace Nigel, your fake Scottish parents would be ashamed odpf you if they existed.