Scots indy results thread

[frogwoman]

Just been speaking to someone up in Scotland who voted no and said that he was tempted to vote yes but he didn't trust what Salmond was saying about the idea it would all have been fine after independence and for him to keep his promises.

 

[butchersapron]

In what way would the NHS be affected by independence. I thought they already had control over the funding?

They have control over what to do with the block grant westminster chooses to give them for it. Incidentally, Salmond chose to under-spend this over the last period. I wonder what political motivation he could have had to do such a thing?

 

[8ball]

They have control over what to do with the block grant westminster chooses to give them for it. Incidentally, Salmond chose to under-spend this over the last period. I wonder what political motivation he could have had to do such a thing?

Figuring out some belt-tightening measures in preparation for delivering on the promise of tax cuts to big business, possibly?

That's a total guess, I'm not sure what you're getting at...

 

[butchersapron]

Figuring out some belt-tightening measures in preparation for delivering on the promise of tax cuts to big business, possibly?

That's a total guess, I'm not sure what you're getting at...

Making it appear to be squuezed prior to the election is what i was getting at - look, spending on *** has fallen by **this amount*** over the last year, vote YES o stop this happening etc - and the NHS did come out (in the Ashcroft poll anyway) as the main motivator for YES voters.

 

[8ball]

Making it appear to be squuezed prior to the election is what i was getting at - look, spending on *** has fallen by **this amount*** over the last year, vote YES o stop this happening etc - and the NHS did come out (in the Ashcroft poll anyway) as the main motivator for YES voters.

Ah, ok. Seems like someone would pick holes in such a transparent ploy pretty quickly.

 

[butchersapron]

Ah, ok. Seems like someone would pick holes in such a transparent ploy pretty quickly.

Yep, and i suspect they did - but that's now how political propaganda works. Get the idea out there, make it the common sense of the debate and you're off to a good start. Unless it does get seriously and embarrassingly trashed - which didn't seem to happen here.

 

[Theisticle]

The second biggest issue on the Ashcroft poll was the NHS, but that's already devolved. But I guess Salmond's scaremongering on that issue was effective.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Listen to these cunts cheering to keep inequality.

Not that we're oversimplifying or anything.

 

[SpookyFrank]

stating the obvious but it means it came down to 5% of the electorate - not a lot in it, even if split bigger than Yes voters may have hoped

Well, 10%. Subtract 45 from 55 and what are you left with?

 

[hot air baboon]

...striking lack of read-across from an SNP vote to a Yes vote....

 

[ska invita]

Well, 10%. Subtract 45 from 55 and what are you left with?

its a 5% swing -if 5% of the Nos voted Yes it wouldve been 50/50
its that 5% of the population wot won it

 

[SpookyFrank]

Anyway, the conspiracy theories are now in circulation:

Well, he's American so I guess he'd know all about rigged elections.

 

[William of Walworth]

Glasgow was always going to be a big Yes

All along do you say? I thought it was more of a late swing, and heavier late campaigning from the Yes side once the published polls had already started to get closer.

Inaccurately closer, as it turns out, but that's another matter.

 

[William of Walworth]

Anyway, the conspiracy theories are now in circulation:

What about that one circulating quite widely in Yes circles before the referendum, that there was a huge newly discovered oilfield whose existence 'they' were concealing from Scotland?

I trust that Yes supporters here on Urban were smart enough to be sceptical about that?

 

[leanderman]

...striking lack of read-across from an SNP vote to a Yes vote....

14pc of SNP supporters went NO! Odd

 

[ska invita]

What about that one circulating quite widely in Yes circles before the referendum, that there was a huge newly discovered oilfield whose existence 'they' were concealing from Scotland?

I trust that Yes supporters here on Urban were smart enough to be sceptical about that?

the potential one in the clyde blocked my heseltine sounded real enough though

 

[ska invita]

14pc of SNP supporters went NO! Odd

" Richer Scotland stuck with the union — so no did very well in a lot of traditional SNP areas. "
i guess its not impossible to vote SNP for their domestic policies and be against independence...14% arent a lot of people statistically...plus people may have genuinely been swung by th arguments/threats etc

 

[dennisr]

...striking lack of read-across from an SNP vote to a Yes vote....

More striking is the solid labour areas voting Yes. Most of the rest is empty of people.

 

[butchersapron]

" Richer Scotland stuck with the union — so no did very well in a lot of traditional SNP areas. "
i guess its not impossible to vote SNP for their domestic policies and be against independence...14% arent a lot of people statistically...plus people may have genuinely been swung by th arguments/threats etc

Look up the history of the term tartan tories.

What happened here is that many people were blinded by the SNPs 2011 performance when a coalition of city/labourish voters and the trad more rural conservative voters voted SNP together - they took this to be writ in stone forever. This referendum saw a breakdown of that coalition with the latter voting NO and the former YES. This could spell big changes for both labour and the SNP or things could just go back to dual voting with the former voting labour in GE and SNP in national elections.

 

[William of Walworth]

More striking is the solid labour areas voting Yes**. Most of the rest is empty of people.

**Not all of them by any means. Lots of other trad Labour areas going No. In Dundee, a Yes area, the SNP have always been strong. I think Glasgow probably makes your point best though, albeit on the lowest turnout of anywhere ("only" 75% ).

 

[weepiper]

**Not all of them by any means. Lots of other trad Labour areas going No. In Dundee, a Yes area, the SNP have always been strong. I think Glasgow probably makes your point best though, albeit on the lowest turnout of anywhere ("only" 75% ).

75% is a colossal turnout for Glasgow. Glasgow's mostly poor. It doesn't normally turn out to vote at all because they know there's fuck all point.

 

[hot air baboon]

**Not all of them by any means. Lots of other trad Labour areas going No.

....saw a young ship yard worker admitting to being a no voter....difficult to reassure some of those fellas that the UK navy contracts weren't going to go south...

 

[articul8]

I bet I'm not the only one feeling tired and depressed today - can only image what the 45% are feeling

 

[The39thStep]

Tory backbenchers now saying Scotland is finished business and the real priority is defeating Farage

 

[William of Walworth]

75% is a colossal turnout for Glasgow. Glasgow's mostly poor. It doesn't normally turn out to vote at all because they know there's fuck all point.

I know, not disagreing, in fact I did put 'only' 75% in inverted commas.

butchersapron linked to this in the other thread, but Ben Page has some useful insights into voting levels, turnout, differential turnout, opinion poll flaws, etc.

 

[Theisticle]

More conspiracy theories.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/t...-calling-for-a-revote-of-the-scottish#37ic8zr

 

[Lo Siento.]

Tory backbenchers now saying Scotland is finished business and the real priority is defeating Farage

I think this is what will ultimately happen. If Cameron hadn't wet himself and already promised devo max because of one rogue poll we wouldn't even be talking about it.

 

[Theisticle]

The Tories are already planning for life after Cameron. Indyref proved how useless he is.

 

[nuffsaid]

Never mind the result I never knew there were so few Scots. The population is tiny compared to the landmass. They want to worry more about extinction - I recommend a captive breeding programme, just to be sure.

 

[ska invita]

The Tories are already planning for life after Cameron. Indyref proved how useless he is.

not arguing but he did manage to navigate the obligation to have the referendum, avoid devo max and get a no vote