Scoffing too much meat and eggs is ‘just as bad as smoking’, claim scientists

[Orang Utan]

I eat a lot of cheesemeateggs and I'm very worried. Stories like this don't help.
Had my 40+ health check on Monday and my blood pressure is super high. Doing a cholesterol test next week and another blood pressure check the week after. But I know what they're gonna tell me. Cut down!

 

[farmerbarleymow]

From the Guardian:
Winkler continues: "The practical consequence for the protein story is that you've got a correlation between food intake and disease, but the food intake data is so poor that any correlation is suspect. Academics sit in front of a computer screen and do data analysis. But they never question the quality of the primary data. I'm not being rude, but my attitude towards that study is contempt."

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...-protein-what-can-we-eat-diet-cancer-diabetes

And this is the NHS assessment of it:

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/03March/Pages/high-protein-diet-may-be-harmful-for-middle-aged.aspx

 

[Awesome Wells]

How much is too much?

Why is it that whenever you try and pin the experts - doctors and nutriotionistsetc (in my experience at least) - they cannot answer. It's like when you ask how big a portion of fruit is. They just give you the 'how long is a piece of string' answer. Helpful.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Doctors are rarely experts in nutrition. Nutritionists are by definition not experts in nutrition. Dieticians however are experts in nutrition. Ask one of them.

 

[Sprocket.]

When will Soylent Green be on the tables?
The ultimate in resource recycling.

 

[Sprocket.]

Eat what you want in moderation.
I live on chips and slimfast. The food equivalent of a vodka redbull.

 

[T & P]

Eat whatever you want, and do plenty of exercise. Problem solved.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

How much is too much?

Why is it that whenever you try and pin the experts - doctors and nutriotionistsetc (in my experience at least) - they cannot answer. It's like when you ask how big a portion of fruit is. They just give you the 'how long is a piece of string' answer. Helpful.

After much research - reading the internet, I find that the Famous Five portions is based on American cooking quantities. In American recipes you will notice that they measure quantities in cups whereas in Britain we use pounds weight or kilograms or fractions thereof. The unit of 'portions' to be used for the WHO guidelines on eating is the half-cup. Try to imagine half a cup of oranges or cabbage, not too difficult.

My research team found that the origin of the Famous Five 'portions' goes back many years and is suspected to have been created by an American fruit and vegetable supplier that was having difficulty selling some of its lines of vegetables. They wanted people to eat a bigger range of fruit and veg to solve their selling problems so lobbied local government in their area to set up a scheme promoting 5 portions of fruit and vegetables as a recommended diet. From that local scheme it got taken up by Central Government and later picked up by the World Health Organisation where it became orthodoxy, and finally picked up by Britain and many other countries. It is a tribute to (or victim of) the power of lobbying.

Anyway - half a cup is the size of a portion. I took a lot of trouble to find that out. In passing I would like to remember the name of the American presidential candidate who said that if he became president he would not eat broccoli as being president he would have the power to make such decisions. He had to withdraw and apologise for that statement when the broccoli growers associations all threatened him with action for damaging their business prospects. That illustrates the power of lobbying in the agribusiness market again.

 

[gosub]

So we're not allowed to eat fats, sugars, carbohydrates or protein now?

That's pretty much all the major components of food out the window then. What exactly do these fuckers expect us to eat?

There was a decent Horizon last month on this. The non carb was v bad, the carb only not so bad and its the mixture that makes you fat. Everything in moderation, is as always was, the sensible advice

 

[ddraig]

no no NO! you have to have as much MEAT as possible to make you NORMAL!!
anyone who says different is different and has to be mocked, put down and ridiculed as much as possible to shut them up, even if they haven't said anything!

 

[8ball]

Here's the latest health scare for y'all to chew over:

So it's a high-protein diet for a good many Urbanites from now on, then.

 

[8ball]

no no NO! you have to have as much MEAT as possible to make you NORMAL!!

I don't think many people believe that, but you can be quite persuasive.

 

[xenon]

The radio report said red meat and dairy. Didn't mention eggs, fish or chicken.

 

[xenon]

I'm not gonna actually read the report. It will only put me off bacon, sausages, steak all that good stuff. I've not eaten any of that for a fortnight though.

 

[stupid dogbot]

And this is the NHS assessment of it:

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/03March/Pages/high-protein-diet-may-be-harmful-for-middle-aged.aspx

The warning was raised in a press release about a large study which found that for people aged 50-65, eating a lot of protein was associated with an increased risk of dying.

However, the study, which assessed the diets of Americans in a single 24-hour period (rather than long-term), found in those aged over 65 that a high protein diet was actually associated with a reduced risk of death from any cause or from cancer. These differing findings meant that overall there was no increase in risk of death, or from dying of cancer with a high protein diet.

The claim in much of the media, that a high protein diet in middle-aged people is “as dangerous as smoking” is unsupported.

We need to eat protein, we do not need to smoke.

The headlines suggesting a high protein diet is “as harmful as smoking” was not a specific finding of the study and could be seen as unnecessary fear-mongering. This is particularly of note given that the effects of a high protein diet were found to differ dramatically by age.

Fancy that.

 

[gosub]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03t8r4h

 

[fractionMan]

And this is the NHS assessment of it:

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/03March/Pages/high-protein-diet-may-be-harmful-for-middle-aged.aspx

quoted for IMPORTANCE.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

quoted for IMPORTANCE.

At least the NHS has not been fooled by the misrepresentation in the Telegraph and Guardian.

 

[8ball]

quoted for IMPORTANCE.

Well, importance for anyone inclined to believe every bit of press health-guff that gets farted out.

 

[fractionMan]

Well, importance for anyone inclined to believe every bit of press health-guff that gets farted out.

quoted because it's a far more balanced review of the paper, as opposed to the click bait crap in the papers.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Eat whatever you want, and do plenty of exercise. Problem solved.

No, eat a mix of foods from vegetables to meat and ensure its not to full of pumped in shit* and if entirely possible cook it yourself. Eat plenty of it but not enough to be sick and do some exercise.

*this is the the hard part, ready meals, takeaways, all use cheap ass crap which tastes delicious but will kill you.

 

[8ball]

quoted because it's a far more balanced review of the paper, as opposed to the click bait crap in the papers.

Yeah, not disputing that.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

How much cheese milk and meat is too much?

 

[ViolentPanda]

When will Soylent Green be on the tables?
The ultimate in resource recycling.

Soylent Green - made from vegans and vegetarians.
Soylent Red - made from omnivores.

 

[ddraig]

No, eat a mix of foods from vegetables to meat and ensure its not to full of pumped in shit* and if entirely possible cook it yourself. Eat plenty of it but not enough to be sick and do some exercise.

*this is the the hard part, ready meals, takeaways, all use cheap ass crap which tastes delicious but will kill you.

meat is not needed

 

[joustmaster]

meat is not needed

neither is wine or beer.

 

[N_igma]

Meat, two veg and 4 wanks a day sorted.

 

[ddraig]

neither is wine or beer.

that wasn't mentioned in what i quoted so what point are you making?

 

[Dr Jon]

neither is only wine or and beer.

Corrected for you.
I'm just glugging a pint of glorious Oatmeal Stout. Meal in a glass...

 

[classicdish]

chips are OK and fine for all


chips chips chips