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Starry Wisdom
(drinking) pics or stfuMy nephew is here... hopefully a week
Saudi Arabia allows women to travel independently
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Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I'll post pics later... he's a handsome cunt... takes after his uncle(drinking) pics or stfu
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I'll post pics later... he's a handsome cunt... takes after his uncle
I'm sure you'll take charge of properly warping his mind, like a good uncle should.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
It's not the criticism of Islamic regimes that is the problem. It's the idea that you promulgate that all Muslim majority states are similar and that they, with the seeming exception of China are somehow all worse places to live; more misogynistic and more homophobic than non-Muslim majority states. This is a lazy argument that comes from the right, akin to the "not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims" shit. Do you really think that the position of gay people and women both legally and within broader society is worse in for example Turkey than in North Korea?
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It isn't the 'West' thing, it's how so many people have no clue what they're talking about.
Islam, like Christianity, has a lot that needs looking at, but that also applies to a lot of other countries and areas regardless of religious bent. There was a Thai clean water ad of a few years ago showing a dutiful wife serving her husband a glass of clean water. She was acting like some sort of servant, even bowing as she gave him the water.
You, know it or not, seem to have fallen for the anti-Islam propaganda machine.
That doesn't in any way excuse Muslims that treat women badly, just pointing out you've been indoctrinated into thinking Muslims are guilty when the truth is some Muslims, especially in places like Saudi are guilty, but many others are not. Malaysia, Indonesia, and even Pakistan have women in senior government posts, some Muslim majority countries even having a woman president at some point in their history.
Take a look at Hindu majority India where rape is at epidemic levels, move on to China where female babies are commonly killed at birth, and Russia's record on homophobia, then tell me all about Islam being nasty.
Are Muslims guilty of sexism and homophobia?
Some are, but most I'm pretty sure most couldn't give a toss either way ¬ also true for Catholics, Jews, C of E, and most other people.
The upshot is this - Yes there are problems with some Muslims but we have to be careful what we believe because there's a lot of nasty propaganda out there aimed at fostering hate.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
it's not individual muslims who are the problem. It's those muslim countries which have sexism and homophobia enshrined into their laws.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
It's countries who also have no freedom of speech, repression, torture, capital punishment; basically countries where human rights are pretty low on the agenda.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Meanwhile back at Saudi Opinion: Saudi Arabia is executing its citizens. Why will the UK not label it a pariah state?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Absolute shit-hole of a country.
But who are we to say?
Britain colonised half the world 200 years ago.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but while we live here we try and make the best of it
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Absolute shit-hole of a country.
But who are we to say?
Britain colonised half the world 200 years ago.
Not in this case 200 years ago. Britain in coordination with France created the current map of the Middle East and North Africa after WW1. In the wake of WW2 along with the USA they propped up the client states they had carved out. Deposing leaders as and when they felt they weren't acting loyally enough in the West's interest - more precisely cheap and easy access to oil and containing other World powers, for most of the period the USSR. Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi were not got rid of 200 years ago, were they? Modern militant pan-national Jihadi groups were created armed and funded by us to fight the proxy war against the Soviets in 1979 not 1779.
tim
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Yaaaaaawn!
6th form leftie wank.
All of those arab states would be the quintessence of human rights if it wasn't for the nasty Brits, wouldn't they Tim?
They wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the nasty Brits, but quite probably something else nasty would exist in their place, as it does in varying degrees nearly everywhere regardless of religion or cultural/ethnic identity.
What I don't understand or a accept is the belief you seem to be pushing that Muslim/Arab states are quintessentially worse than everywhere else. It strikes me as lazy alt-right Bannonesque wank.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Yep. Anyone who's critical of islamic regimes is a racist.
Since I've had plenty to say on the situation in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf on this thread and on others, that would include me.
My problem was with this sweeping comment
What is done in Iran and Saudi Arabia is not what happens in all Muslim majority countries. As to the worst offender being on that list: Myanmar, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, North Korea, Honduras, Venezuela, the Philippines, Zimbabwe, Rwanda, Russia and Belorus aren't there, but Tunisia, and Malaysia are.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
If nothing else, this is helping to keep the issue in the news, though I don't suppose it will matter much to boxing fans Amnesty International criticises sanctioning of Joshua v Ruiz Jr in Saudi Arabia
This is one of those cases where the west are entirely responsible for the state of a country, Iran in this case.
In case people don't know the history..
The US and UK set up a coup against the democratically elected Iranian government because of an oil dispute, the US installed their mass murdering puppet dictator, then he was overthrown in a popular revolution that put the religious extreme in charge.
Had the UK and US allowed democracy, the extremists would just be background noise.
Much as I dislike what the Iranian government is up to, the US are far worse so have shit all to say on the subject - or at least should have,
Saudi is far different, their pretend royals are just a bunch of murdering cunts, but well supported murdering cunts because the world needs their oil (at the moment). Pity it'll be so long, but they're pretty sure to be out in 50 years or less as oil becomes yesterday's fuel (Hopefully a lot less and yet another really good reason to get more renewables in place ASAP)
Humberto
minor kerfuffles ensue
"The high rollers loved rubbing elbows with gangsters. Aristocrats and criminals have a lot in common. They're both selfish, get bored easily, and both have access to wads of cash that they didn't have to work honestly to get. The 'topper'? Neither have any interest in bourgeois rules or morality."
hash tag
Books, not bombs
There is no surprise here Saudi Arabia women’s rights reforms less extensive than they appear, campaigners warn
Sad, but hardly a shock. The whole thing is more than likely to be window dressing in the hope of putting off actually getting as far as the twentieth century as long as they can.
I have absolutely no problem with a woman who wants to wear a black blanket but I have absolutely no time for men that make them wear it against their will. As for the rest of their 'rights' - Do I really need to comment?
I have absolutely no problem with a woman who wants to wear a black blanket but I have absolutely no time for men that make them wear it against their will. As for the rest of their 'rights' - Do I really need to comment?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh aren't these arabs backward
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
No problem perhaps, but also clearly little respect, why assess people on who they are rather than on what they wear.
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